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So there's no presence/status notifications? I'll miss that when this hits GMail.

Agreed, that's easily 50% or more of what I used google talk for. It was a way of knowing when people were back at their desk and could be reached to discuss something. This new solution is more like SMS messaging, where you send off a message and just hope they are there and respond right away if it's urgent.

You can vaguely tell that someone is online by their icon being a bit brigher but it's a terrible solution.

This just tells me that they want the Hangouts app to be straight up texting app as opposted to an instant messaging app (like Gtalk). No obvious feature of seeing people online and no concept of a "buddy list."

Online users are shown with a green bar under their photo.

Inside the conversation, if someone is faded out then they are not there, but an unfaded image shows when they are currently in the conversation.

Online isn't the same as "available". A green dot in GChat means actively saying "you can interrupt me". A red dot means "this better be important". Currently about 2/3 of my GChat list is "away".

There's a whole world of etiquette here that they're throwing away.

I think they are trying to move more towards the long-lived conversations, where it shows you if the person is there and willing to be interrupted (the green bar), or they simply are not necessarily there to answer right now (because they are away from their computer, or they are in do-not-disturb mode). I realize that this is missing the middle "busy" state, but I don't really think that's a big loss. It used to be that when you sent offline messages it would end up as an email to them. Now when you send messages and they aren't in the online mode you can just assume that they'll see the message at the time of their choosing and respond then.

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