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Excellent. Now we need to block third party javascript and then we have a chance at a more secure web. After all, any third party javascript could be done by an underwater call between the server and the provider of the service.

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Not sure blocking all ads will help the web. All those free sites you visit need to get their money from somewhere.

You could easily get the ad underwater and embed it properly.

It would establish the web as a safe and secure platform, and I think that's in the best interest of the web.

To hell with your personal ambition to underhandedly monetize other people's users.

EDIT: I changed my statement from 'monetize your users' to specify 'other users' as that more accurately reflects the impact of Mozilla's change. Third-party cookies are used for tracking users that aren't yours.

With that statement, you're also saying "To hell with YouTube, Facebook, WordPress.com and every other site that wouldn't survive without money."

How does blocking third party Javascript prevent the sites that you mention from monetizing?

It lowers their income by forcing them to succumb to non-targeted advertising which is less effective and brings less money.

I'd love to see your ideas of a free and secure web without marketing money flowing into content provider websites.

They have enough varied content to effectively provide re-targeted ads.

Striving to maximize revenue is great. However, I don't see this particular issue as black and white as you present it. This will certainly make some websites less profitable, but I doubt that it would bring an end to the free web. In fact, aren't there are other ways to do retargeting?

Given Google's relationship with Mozilla, if this move would negatively impact Google, i would be very surprised to see it happen.

You are correct, it won't affect the omnipresent Google because virtually everyone has visited their domain at some point. This will target alternatives to Google, leaving us with one company to do effective advertising.

How is this in the interests of the end user is beyond me, really.

Youtube, Facebook, and Wordpress.com already have their own tracking systems so they won't be affected by this change at all.

There is plenty of third party javascript that is not at all predatory. Pretty much all analytics services, Olark and other similar customer outreach services, A/B testing suites. There is far more of a push to create new more secure avenues for third party js (namely cors and websockets) to exist than there are efforts to eliminate it.

I'm curious how this change will effect services like optimizely that rely on third party cookies to prevent tests being run on the same users multiple times.

We would go back to hosting our own stuff.

Big deal.

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