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Mexico was "China" before China was "China" (for scoped values of "China").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquiladora

My limited understanding and impression are that, now that China and transportation have become expensive enough (both in direct costs and in logistics and support issues), Mexico is warming up again -- for the present. I seem to recall that, actually, a significant portion of this activity is now backed by Chinese concerns, including for the favorable effects of NAFTA and whatever else I have some vague recall of having read.

As for this marking the "recovery" of U.S. industry... No more so than watching Zenith implode (personal case), a decade and more ago. IMHO.

P.S. I also have not kept track of the following in a manner to argue it well, but my impression is that part of Mexico's narco-state problem was exacerbated (not caused) by the vacuum left when China's rise sucked the life out of the maquiladoras in a matter of a few years, transforming these localized pockets of relative, if uneven and risky, economic success into economic wastelands.

I guess the overall lesson might be not to trust in such tenuous economic relationships and advantages. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Maybe, but China is just better suited for production work than Mexico if you look at the following factors:

1. Food, water, shelter. Lack of these means infrastructure will be tough to setup and you are making it harder on imported human resources.

2. Culture, infrastructure and security. These go hand-in-hand. If you don't understand and play by the rules of the culture, security is compromised, and without security, infrastructure is at risk. Without infrastructure things are much more costly. A less liberal government (one that enforces conviction of drug lords that make security a nightmare) may result in better security and therefore better infrastructure.

3. Resources. Access to labor, materials, etc.

4. Heat. In hotter climates, humans are rewarded physically by not working as hard by the fact that they don't get overheated. This is engrained in almost all of us, but even more so when evolution and natural selection also have rewarded lazy behavior. I will probably get downvoted multiple times for saying this, and it isn't true everywhere, but I believe that it happens and can become a cultural phenomenon. Ever heard of a siesta? I know it is just a "break", right...

>>4. Heat. In hotter climates, humans are rewarded physically by not working as hard by the fact that they don't get overheated. This is engrained in almost all of us, but even more so when evolution and natural selection also have rewarded lazy behavior. I will probably get downvoted multiple times for saying this, and it isn't true everywhere, but I believe that it happens and can become a cultural phenomenon. Ever heard of a siesta? I know it is just a "break", right...

The 19th century is calling and wants their theories of the development of western civilization back

15th century actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_determinism

Climatic Determinism: "Australia, for example, has a higher level of economic development than Indonesia. The paradox also applies within countries — the northern U.S. states are more developed than the southern U.S. states. Singapore is a notable counter-example: it is located at 1.22° N and is one of the world's most prosperous countries. This prosperity is based on its position as a port. Other exceptions to the paradox tend to have large natural resources. (Although Singapore's strict and no-nonsense government system matches the "strict and authoritarian" system that Montesquieu cited as being necessary for a country in warmer areas to succeed by counteracting the environmental complacency of the tropics with human-induced strictures. Saudi Arabia is a good example.)"

Montesquieu: 18 January 1689 – February 1755

Not being racist or imperialist. In fact, I'm one of those affected, and I don't think it is strongly genetic, but rather mostly behavioral. I see it in my family and culture. Not really laziness, but slowness compared to those from colder climates. There are exceptions, but heat slows people down.

I'd say the Greeks..

Freely translated from a slide of a lecture I heard:

Aristoteles ("The Policy"):

"The peoples in the cold areas and in Europe might be courageous, but have little intellectual and artistic potential and thus easier claim their freedom, but are unable to create nations and to dominate their neighbours. The asian peoples [probably Middle East from his perspective] have a bright and artistic but fright fearful mind, and thus are always servants and slaves. The greeks however have access to the advantages of both and are thus courageous and intelligent at the same time. Therefore they are always in possession of freedom and the best institutions of state and would be able to rule over all nations if only the greeks would band together to one single nation."

It's quite clear what he is trying to do here: Give a reason why his people are better than others, and most of the old lines of reason had that goal.

The lecture I heard led it to a new concept, possibilism (which does not seem to translate well, I'm sorry). The difference between Determinism and Possibilism is that in the second case the environment is seen as only boundary conditions, but humans are free to develop anyway. This new idea was created in the beginning of the 20th century, and it was stated that social facts can only be explained by social circumstances. It seems to be the accepted theory at the moment (not exactly my field of study).

Right, that's why the pyramids were build during a cold snap. And we know how much more developed Norther Europe was during the classical age than Greece, Persia, Egypt, etc. And this is also why Russia has always been one of the most developed and wealthiest countries in the world. And why Hokkaido is the wealthiest part of Japan. Etc.

Or maybe even a pile of anecdotes, like most of the developed world happens to be in the north today, does not actually mean anything.

My day job is in a Chinese office of a multinational. After lunch, everyone takes naps. Some people even take them for an hour. From what I understand, post-lunch naps are common across the country. I think Chinese people understand siestas quite well. ;)

Skimming over the Wikipedia article on siestas, I get the distinct impression that napping is a global practice except in the Anglosphere. Anglo-American economic dominance, coupled with the fashionableness of caffeine drinks, have resulted in a disturbing decline in naps.

I'm curious: where do Chinese office workers take naps? In their chairs? Do they have beds?

I have friends who have employers that have beds. In my building, everyone sleeps at their desks. Either lean back in the chair or lean forward on the desk. A lot of people also have blankets. The girls like to hug big pillows.

Office jobs come with a ~1.5 hour lunch break, where workers go home for a lunch and nap.

Everywhere and anywhere.

www.sleepingchinese.com

>Heat

Mexico is a large country with a huge variety of climates. Besides, it was just 20 degrees today in Tijuana (72F).

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