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Comment by djt | Hacker News Reader

I think before people jump on the bandwagon they should think about Jobs state of mind when he wrote this.

iPhone just launched and still vulnerable. Senior staff going to a competitor and also Personally poaching staff and being involved in the interviews etc.

Let alone Jobs health issues etc.

Im not saying that Jobs was right, but we have the benefit of hindsight to see that the iPhone worksed, there was no guarantee of that happening.

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If you disagree with what I said please leave a comment.

When comments that are idiologically "wrong" get downvoted without discussion then it leads to a hivemind mentality.

I'll bite. Whatever's Steve Jobs' state of mind was, it was still wrong.

What if you were looking to change jobs or would have jumped jobs given the offer proposed. Is it right to limit your recruitment because Steve Jobs was sick or worried about a project? What if the project wasn't the iPhone, but the Apple Newton? What if the destination company wasn't Palm, but Google?

The circumstances surrounding the situation don't absolve Steve Jobs of what he tried to do.

i never said whether it was right or wrong though.

Yes it is unenforceable, what i was saying is that Steve Jobs was a human and not a god.

FYI quite a few tech companies were in this pact not to hire from each other.

A lot of companies were in on this pact, and I think they should all be punished.

Steve was pretty consistent on this issue, he talked google and many other companies on this. This is what makes him "bad". He did it willfully and repeatedly.

I think what really irks me about the whole case is, that it's a free market for competition, but it's more free for corporations than employees.

I rarely jump into HN comments any more. There's little more than snide in them these days. For what it's worth, I think yours is the only original comment in here thus far.

Yes it has seemed to change quite rapidly in the last 12 months.

I think Hacker News used to be mainly Start-Up, tech and business starters. Whereas now it is mainly start-up porn.

Yes, thinking about the wave of change over the past year or so makes me sad.

Even more sad are the periodic proposals to "improve" (i.e. fix) HN:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5042403

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4488561

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4399108

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4404718

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3842554

And PG randomly chimes in throughout.. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4693920

And then there is the complaining: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4396747

None of these things seem to be working very well. They may alleviate a portion of the pain temporarily, but the baseline level of quality throughout the community still feels way off to me compared to what I see in the old threads.

As a sidenote, I like the explanations in this post about why digg, reddit, and slashdot went sour:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=178514

interesting!

i saw this in one of the posts: http://news.ycombinator.com/classic

looks like a good intermediate step.

This sentement has come up semi-frequently in the past (almost) four years I've been a member of the site, and I lurked for months prior to creating an account. From my perspective, the site has trended towards mass appeal, but not at a very quick pace. The articles on the front page today aren't all that different from the ones I remember being on there four years ago. The level of discourse ebs and flows. Sometimes it's really good; other times it isn't.

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