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I really want to like ClojureScript, particularly since the idea of using the same language all around the app appeals to me, but it's not quite the same language. Have you found this to be a pain in practice? I'm specifically wondering about require-macros and lack of support for ~ and ~@, although I'm also curious if you were bit by any of the other differences between Clojure and ClojureScript.

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Indeed it's not the same language. I wasn't bit by the macro differences (which are probably the largest non-interop difference) since I tend not to use macros in my Clojure or ClojureScript code. Macros are going to be different since the macro compile host (JVM) is different than the run host (Javascript VM).

Other than macros and the VM interop (ugh I think (.-length str) is an eye-sore for property acesss), the core of the language is close enough that I Don't think of it 90% of the time.

I'd say that not having "the whole language, all the time" is only (potentially) a pain regarding the development process/experience itself, not the quality of the resulting programs - which is what matters at the end.

In general, I believe people underestimate the importance of development time, as well as ease of training/hiring new programmers - one language is nearly always better as far as both of these things are concerned (unless that language is something like Malbolge).

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