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I would like to try it out but I'm not on Windows obviously, and I won't work to become a second class citizen ("What do you use? Mono? That's not supported").

Also, most of tooling seems to be proprietary, Windows-only too.

So I'd stick to JVM.

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I'd suggest you give Mono and MonoDevelop (http://monodevelop.com/) a try! It's really good and at least most of the web stuff that I've developed have just worked out of the box on Linux (Apache + Mono).

I don't want to be a second class citizen.

I don't want to be a second class citizen ever. I don't want to be a second class citizen. I don't want to be a second class citizen ever.

"Really good" is so much different from "The Most Awesome Edition" you get with languages like Java or Ruby.

I can tinker with a "Really good" tech on home projects all right (except I prefer Clojure), but not in the workplace.

Citizen.

There is no alternative spelling. Sorry, you just used it so much!

Thanks for the correction because I always struggle with s/z in that position. It just makes so little sense! :(

There are real companies out there making real money off Mono. So it's not a toy reserved for weekend tinkering. Enough companies trust Mono to use it in production.

I'm happy for them, but I'm not going to risk it. The reward is nice but not nearly worth the risk.

When adopting Java, you can trust it will just work, but with Mono you have to bet it's going to work, you're not going to run into compatibility problems and tooling will be adequate.

Java comes with its own problems, especially in enterprise environments where you might be pinned to a single version. There are plenty of insecure JVMs out there that can't be upgraded on both servers and clients, mainly to ensure compatibility or meet support requirements.

I don't see how it is relevant WRT considering a language/platform for a new project. You're talking about legacy stuff. I don't see how this can't happen to project in any language (PHP? Ruby? Perl? C#?)

That's news to me. Not that I disbelieve. Really interested. Can you point me to some use cases? Why do they not just use Windows?

Mostly on mobile I would guess. Xamarin has a showcase on their site: http://xamarin.com/apps .

Also every game made in Unity is using Mono, which is _a lot_ of games. The Playstation Vita and Wii U uses Mono as well for third party development.

I'm sharing your opinion. JVM is an excellent choice, whether doing Java or other JVM-based language.

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