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RustRover used to be my daily driver.

Now it's Claude Code and ever so occasionally Codex.

I never do work in IDEs by hand anymore. I stopped writing code entirely in February and I will likely never write code again unless my internet dies.

I need a JetBrains-level AST navigator that focuses on high level code navigation and understanding, and moreover on code and architectural review. I need to quickly scan diffs and quickly see architecture at a glance.

Of course even that too many eventually fall away.

I rarely open RustRover these days. I could never have predicted that.

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Yeap, I just need VSCode to look through the code. Its good enough for read-only purposes.

Not sure who downvoted this. JetBrains IDEs are done for.

I don't even remember the last time I opened them, I cancelled my All Products pack this year.

The advantage it had over vscode was always the better language features and the familiar UI.

None of that is useful to me in AI based workflows. Some might still disagree, but the manual development workflow using an IDE is clearly dying.

JetBrain's revenue will obviously crater as a result, particularly when slower enterprise licenses follow.

I "code" using Codex but I still use PHPStorm for checking diffs, database access, reviewing PRs, and the debugger. The value proposition has changed, not disappeared.

> I "code" using Codex but I still use PHPStorm for checking diffs, database access, reviewing PRs, and the debugger. The value proposition has changed, not disappeared.

You are able to do this while the output is small enough. But, it will not stay small for long. Business expectations are rising fast. To stay competitive, you have to push large amounts of code/fixes/features. There is no way to manually review it or QA it. If your org is not there yet, it will eventually get there. Or it will die out. It is only a matter of time.

I always preferred to check MR diffs in GitLab.

And I don't use the debugger nowadays. The AI can do it much faster and add relevant instrumentation and parse logs.

> always preferred to check MR diffs in GitLab.

I'm on the opinion that if it's "code review" and code is not properly checked out than it's just a meat linter phase that's almost completely useless with meaningless style disagreements.

I'm wondering, do you check out MRs from forks in your IDE? What tooling do you use?

On the command line it seems a bit tedious with forks, and disk space constraints in our crappy enterprise environment are another factor.

I've been paying for the all products pack for 8 years now, but at my latest job all code is generated, and I think this will be the reality at most companies. I won't extend this year

Why do you think their revenue is up?

> Not sure who downvoted this.

If you've been on HN long enough you recognize that the OP is quite prolific in making absurd claims about AI: infamously predicted that children would be making professional, Hollywood level films by the end of 2025, and is now spending their time building the 5000th barely functional clone of Adobe tools[0]. It's probably a little unfair, but they are bold claims from someone who really does not have the ground to be making bold claims.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49958850

This is like watching weekend car tinkerers argue with Ferrari mechanics about their tooling. "I'm never going to write code ever again."

It's important to realize that Wordpress still powers like 40% of the internet. It was more in the past.

Most "developers" were busy cranking out low-end software before AI.

They never worked on large, complex software systems or in professional engineering orgs.

Lots of these people never would have made the grade, would have been cut, or forever juniors. Many were probably bitter about this.

Well now comes along AI..

Only that it isn't, and that millions of professionals, including myself, use agentic AI successfully to implement high quality software.

That there is no lack of people delivering low quality using AI does not change this.

> millions of professionals, including myself,

> there is no lack of people delivering low quality using AI

I like how you self-associate. Do you really belong to the first group, or is that what you think you are.

there is also quite enough fields in which AI generated code is just not even allowed to touch the codebase to begin with.

There surely is code so critical that not fully understanding every line of it is not an option.

That's probably the rare exception.

Even in finance everyone is using AI.

You don't get the nuance that there are people who enjoy the writing the code part more than they enjoy the handholding and hitting enter on a prompt part. And they write it fast or concise enough to not need to prompt engineer bicker with a machine.

And as soon as an edge case pops up that your model will have never been able to hear about because it hasn't been released publicly, security vuln, whatever, you'll get a "fix" confidently hallucinated at you and be none the wiser.

There's going to be a huge pendulum swing with all the llm zombies and sanewashing it like this isn't helping anyone.

All of this just oozes junior engineer if you're even employed in the field at all.

I do get that some people enjoy the manual process more than they enjoy building the product.

It doesn't give you the right to insult my expertise, and frankly your arguments sound like things that one would make up despite little actual experience using AI to develop software.

How can one insult something one knows nothing about. Tell us what sort of expert are you instead of patting yourself on the back. Anybody can come here and claim they're bigger experts than you. Will you believe them? Maybe you're a big ego with rubbish "engineering" skills.

Hobbyists are more likely to use IDEs at this point; pros have to get work done.

please tell me what you work on so I can pre-emptively ban it

> Not sure who downvoted this.

Half of HN hates AI.

A large percentage thinks that the current status quo is how things will look over the next decade. They don't think everything is fundamentally and irreversibly changing.

Nobody is coming out of this with the same career. The whole world is being rewired. Some people really don't like that.

I'm just glad we're out of the web platform / cellphone incrementalism era. I wish more of my career could have been spent with this rocket fuel. It's dangerous and hypergolic, but it's fun and flashy and capable of pulling us out of this gravity well.

I use AI on a daily basis and I still found all of your takes in this thread to be silly hyperbole.

It's kinda cute that you think you're the prophet of AI spreading wisdom

I use https://github.com/DetachHead/rebased, which is based on IntelliJ, for review. The maintainer is responsive.

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