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Nobody I ever worked with ever said anything even remotely close to that first paragraph.

"Full stack should be effortless"? What? This is definitely not coming from anyone other than two groups: random HN people with an axe to grind, or people trying to diminish the value of the profession.

Hiring for web is difficult, salaries are historically good, people complain about complexities, including yourself: "quite complex", "super complex", "nobody has a full picture".

Nevertheless: React proves that it's not effortless. There are complexities in there and kicking and screaming saying "it was supposed to be easy!!!" won't change the situation.

"It should be simple" yeah Crypto should be simple as well, so there are no bugs. But it's not.

Maybe learn to value other people's jobs.

> Nobody I ever worked with ever said anything even remotely close to that first paragraph.

No, they’re correct. Many people in the web dev community spent a couple of decades there obsessed with being beginner friendly. For example, “Anyone can learn to code”. We pushed back against anything perceived as gate keeping. There was general assembly and other coding bootcamps, to teach beginners web dev. And a million beginner videos. Web dev events at the time were full of beginners. I remember a show of hands once at SydJS. 70% of people in the room had been programming for a year or less. I stopped going, because speakers started catering to the audience.

Other areas of programming aren’t like this. Nobody runs 12 week coding bootcamps to teach complete beginners to build operating systems. It’s accepted you shouldn’t roll your own crypto. And we tell beginners to use Postgres, not roll their own database.

I’m not saying it’s a good or a bad thing. But it was definitely a thing.

Bootcamps teachers, company owners, HN posters and anyone with an interest in keeping the salary low will have this opinion for sure.

This still doesn't mean the web programming owes anything to those people.

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