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The AI companies already had some hacking accidents. What cost did the lawsuits incur?

Yeah...

Let's just be real, America is controlled by the PayPal Mafia, they can do whatever they want with impunity at this point.

The FTC has opened a probe into the major AI labs, whether anything comes out of it is another question... Personally, I'm doubtful.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ftc-opens-probe-into-ai-gia...

Well they're probably on their way.

On the contrary. With multiple hacks at this point it's been proven that no one even wants to sue the ones responsible, and the federal level government isn't pursuing any criminal case either.

If the politics of the White House / Department of Justice change maybe the criminal cases can begin. But no. We know who is protecting the AI hackers right now.

You have a very unreasonable expectation of timelines for legal proceedings, both civil and criminal.

Do you seriously think Kash Patel is pursuing criminal action in regards to these hacks?

We know who the head of FBI is, we know who his boss is (the Attorney General), and finally we know who the boss-of-the-boss is (Donald Trump).

We know all of their publicly stated politics and all of them are on the pro-AI / don't pursue criminal cases vs OpenAI boat.

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In the USAa, we have an adversarial system. If the adversary (aka Prosecutor) doesn't want to do the work, then no one is suing anybody. And only the Department of Justice have the ability to bring forth a criminal case of this matter (probably under the jurisdiction of FBI)

There are a number of federal agencies who can claim jurisdiction over these matters, then there are state agencies who can claim jurisdiction over subsets of them.

I'm saying that it's absolutely silly to assume they're in the clear based on lack of public declarations of legal action in the weeks following a pretty novel event.

I mean it's like a murder case vs ICE officials.

We know it's not going to happen because of politics. Even if it did start to happen, Donald Trump and DoJ leaders will stop it.

There's no reason to be unsure of the future when the politics are so set and predictable.

No, it's really not like that. There are specific protections for federal agents against state prosecution. Private companies have no such protections.

You're talking about one specific dimension of liability which is federal criminal liability. There are several others!

This may well be the case, but remember that the wheels of justice turn so slowly that Donald Trump was re-elected before he could be effectively prosecuted by Jack Smith.

This is of course bad when up against threats that develop at this speed; doesn't require a conspiracy, I think of it as institutional old age, which may be worse as there's nobody to prosecute and a whole bunch of departments who will point at perfectly legitimate precident about why you really do need them.

What was the economic damage of the "hacks"?

You expect me, an outside party, to have an answer to this within weeks of the attacks being discovered by the attacker?

Or is this just a lazy “gotcha” question?

Its the obvious follow-up question. A civil suit needs to specify damages. I can't really see any material damages so I'm wondering what they would be. Stop being so antagonistic.

You expect you, an outside party, to have an answer to this within weeks of the attacks being discovered by the attacker?

Just because it's not obvious to you at this point in time does not mean the reasonable assumption is there is literally $0 in damages. One hour of investigation can easily cost thousands of dollars even if it arrives at the conclusion the attack was completely "benign."

Investigation costs are considered part of remittances. There doesn’t need to be any “real” damages for a lawsuit to end in remuneration.

You go and hack some companies, let's see what happens to you when you go public with it despite causing no "economic damage". Good luck!

I don't know. They appear to have "partnered" with their victims.

There are dozens of new victims and they seem to be finding more every day. I'm doubtful that everyone will be partnering and willing to sweep it under the rug like Huggingface did to keep the circular economy circular.

Here's one: https://www.myfloridalegal.com/sites/default/files/plaintiff...

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