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I think this is everything right about Apple. There is zero chance the building is not up to code, at least within the context of some exception granted to them by the city. Their extremely numerous number of employees are likely well trained on what to do during a fire, including where the extinguishers are. I can think of no stores I'd rather be in, if there's a fire, than that Apple Store. But, it makes nerds angry; they're more interested in the process than the outcomes.

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Do that all you want in your personal house, but public spaces and even private workplaces with employees other than yourself rightfully should adhere to standards that apply the same everywhere so that any person has a reasonable chance to succeed at the crucial task in an unplanned emergency.

"My emergency response plan is there will always be a trained employee." is exactly as stupid as "My emergency response plan is there will never be an emergency."

> I can think of no stores I'd rather be in, if there's a fire, than that Apple Store.

How about a fire extinguisher store?

Or anywhere without so many lithium batteries.

Soooo, what if a non-trained non-employee needs to put out a fire in an emergency?

I agree there’s zero chance of written documentation that the building isn’t up to code.

That’s very different to it actually complying with code however. And to your second example, if I was physically attending WWDC back when they did they keynotes, I’d much rather seeing illuminated exit signs than having them (illegally) turn them off in case of a fire.

Much of building codes is either outdated, no longer the most effective way to achieve something, etc. But these building codes are written in blood. It’s why we have them.

This is correct. I actually visit Apple stores because the conduct of their employees reinforces the culture of voluntary safety that I've come to expect from society. Exposing these gaudy red extinguishers only causes customers to feel unsafe and resent safety instead of accepting it. Anyone that wants to display even a single extinguisher is obsessing over their own insecurities and tearing down the safety ecosystem we trust our lives with. Blatant nerd quackery.

When I can see the extinguishers in the store, that's when I'll know Apple has finally gone downhill. If you're reading this Ternus, don't stop fighting.

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