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I am not lowering myself or lionizing anyone - I am being practical about this. If we as a society have a workable stance for/against LLMs that is beneficial to all of us I am very open to hearing about it - It would however be fair to say that I am pessimistic given a lot of our collective history. And on oop of that nobody seems to be talking about any real solutions either this time around. Just being dismissive or being all-in are equally bad approaches.

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> ...nobody seems to be talking about any real solutions...

I guess you didn't bother to watch the video that is TFA. Greg K-H mentions that if you're going to use LLMs to do bug-finding, you should use open-weights models that run locally and "harnesses" built by members of the community You really should watch the video to hear his reasons for why.

There's nothing wrong with LLM-the-technology. There's everything wrong with the major LLM manufacturers.

I wasn't talking about fixing the tools or using open weight models - I don't need to watch anything to know that's an option. You are also now contradicting your earlier stance somewhat by saying what I was saying - LLMs can and will get better - you have now introduced an irrelevant open vs close element which doesn't really matter. There's no way only open weight models and harnesses get better - if you understand even a little, proprietary models with access to same open information but with billions to burn on research and hardware will get better faster.

> You are also now contradicting your earlier stance somewhat...

Not even a little bit, no. Go back and read carefully. [0][1][2][3]

[0] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49943382>

[1] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49944036>

[2] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49951289>

[3] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49951466>

Ugh stop posting links dude - answer what do you mean by your previous claim for fixing everything you were complaining about earlier - "you should use open-weights models that run locally and "harnesses" built by members of the community" - like how is that not contradicting what you are saying - if open weights and local harnesses can do it Anthropic and OpenAI will do it faster and better. That doesn't make sense at all in this conversation.

> ...like how is that not contradicting what you are saying...

A careful and honest reader notes that I've never claimed or suggested that there exists a software project that will never get better with enough time and appropriately-focused effort.

But, the single thing in this thread that statement by GK-H addresses is your claim [0] that

  ...nobody seems to be talking about any real [alternatives to using LLMs provided by the major LLM manufacturers]...

Of the things I've talked about in this thread, that's the least important one. However, I do understand that it is the easiest one for you to talk about while still staying vaguely "on message".

[0] <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49948725>

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