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Please, we've have two parties directing the public's attention to every controversy except Israel for the past few decades. And none of the elites criticize Israel even when they go against US imperialist interests. Only reason this is even talked about now is because of younger people and because both Netanyahu and Trump made things too blatant lately.

> Get rid of Israel and kill all the Jews

Your words, not mine

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Why on earth would any elites criticise Israel? As a state, it serves the purposes of the military industrial complex very well - it's useful to keep around. As a public opinion topic, politicians in the west will use Israel (pro or against) to get votes or public support. Like I said, "getting rid of Israel and the Jews" (which is what many people on the left and right, explicitly or implicitly want - not to mention this is the goal of Shia Islam nationalism) - won't actually change much other than decrease the ability of Western elites to project power into the region. I don't support this goal, as most extremists do, because although I'm anti-Israel, I'm not a psychopath. Cute you think a second-rate, self-serving, opportunist like Netanyahu is secretly pulling the strings though. Watch Israel die - and then I suppose you'll be scratching your little head wondering why the technocrats still run your world.

> not to mention this is the goal of Shia Islam nationalism

The fact that there are jews in Iran shows that they don't have the narrative of "getting rid of the jews".

I never said that Israel, or especially Netanyahu, runs the world. Israeli-American lobby groups and individuals have some share of power. There are also just a lot of politicians who are Jewish themselves or have ties, like Biden's and Trump's children. They don't have to control a whole lot to ensure US support for Israel, only be coordinated enough on their particular interests so nobody considers it worthwhile to challenge them, also be discreet. This has been studied for decades. Now that strategy has been broken, and we're seeing more politicians start to turn against Israel.

So back to what I said and not words put in my mouth, we started a war on Iraq for Israel, now same thing with Iran.

> I suppose you'll be scratching your little head

Ok, bye

You said nothing incorrect in that particular comment and I agree. Sorry I implied your head was little, clearly I was wildly wrong. But stating that there are pro-israel individuals (Jewish and otherwise) lobby groups (which is true, and has been public information for a long time), as well as cultural-historical-political motivations for supporting Israel, it does not follow that the US technocratic elite and the military industrial complex are "in the pocket" of Israel, which is what the loudest reactionaries are implying or outright stating. The truth is in fact, quite a lot more disheartening.

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