When someone wielding a non-safeguarded model deletes the money in everyone’s bank account, I look forward to the HN comments claiming it’s an attempt by Anthropic to pull off regulatory capture.
When someone wielding a non-safeguarded model deletes the money in everyone’s bank account, I look forward to the HN comments claiming it’s an attempt by Anthropic to pull off regulatory capture.
The non-safeguarded models are out there today. You can download them for $0, spend low five figures on some hardware and you're off to the races.
Anthropic is not doing us a service by warning us, everybody that is slightly more involved in this material knows what is at stake. If this is news to you then maybe Anthropic is doing you a service but to me it makes zero difference. All I know is the cat is out of the bag and these super cynical people trying to pretend they are going to make their investors rich will use any tool in the bag to achieve their goals.
- let our former employees review all of your work at your expense
- anoint us as the arbiters of what everyone else is allowed to do
- ban open research
Then you are not taking any of the examples your providing seriously. Otherwise you're essentially saying, to prevent people from making nukes at home, we should heavily restrict physics education and research instead of limiting access to uranium.
Jensen Huang does not want regulation, but in his interview with Ezra Klein he said AI will let us “know anything” and “do anything”. Do we actually want any random person to be able to “do anything”? I remember when the Japanese doomsday cult Aum Shinrikyo attacked the Tokyo subway with sarin. Do we want doomsday cults to be able to “know anything” and “do anything” so that instead of releasing sarin, they release a genetically modified strain of smallpox?
This is not a hypothetical risk, this is an actual, present danger. And good luck trying to vaccinate yourself against an engineered superflu using a Chinese open weight model.
>The “proposal” you outlined is a straw man, I’m not opposed to open research, and I have no idea who you are referring to by “our former employees”.
You're replying on a post from Anthropic. Do you know anything about the regulation regime they're pushing for?
>This is not a hypothetical risk, this is an actual, present danger. And good luck trying to vaccinate yourself against an engineered superflu using a Chinese open weight model.
Ah, I see you live in the fantasy land where the machine god fantasies pushed by the guys that profit off of it are unquestionably true and do not need to make any real sense. Jensen said AI would allow anyone to do anything and so we can completely ignore reality and hand Sam Altman and Dario Amodei the exclusive right to control AI.
I've seen this sentiment in many discussion here lately, that anyone concerned about these kinds of risks is blindly falling for marketing hype and not thinking for themselves. Please give people the benefit of the doubt and engage with what they are saying. Because if you don't think that bioweapons/nerve agents are a serious concern, I would sleep better if you could convince me if this!
That said, they do have a point: all of these models put capabilities in the hands of people that probably shouldn't have them. But they have been working really hard at making it so, and now that that is done the ketchup most likely will not want to go back into the bottle.
This statement portrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how the infrastructure which powers these systems work. Note: I am not saying there are no risks, I am just saying the risk you are focusing on is the least likely one of all I have seen people be upset by.
Far higher risks one could outline are:
1. Network-connected PLCs for big infrastructure (drinking water, sewage, power, etc) being tampered with.
2. Extremely persistent malware tailored for every permutation of hardware + software.
3. Cyber criminals improve in technical capabilities (phishing sites, scam calling, propaganda campaigns, etc).
But, the cork is out of the bottle on this one. With even basic models you can begin a loop of training specialized models on low cost hardware which can be used to do specific hacking tasks.
I don't know what the best antidote to this is but I doubt that it will be in limiting access to OSS models to people in the USA as all of the threats listed above come from *outside actors*.
This is also what I expect to happen, however, the problem there is not AI. These things were on shodan way more than a decade ago already.
> model deletes the money in everyone’s bank account
If one were to actually believe this is the threat -- that open models pose an existential threat to human life (because that's what "wrecking the economy" means) -- then the response would be much more potent than mere "safeguards".
In that situation, the you'd have to: implement a secrets classification regime comparable to TS/SCI/SAP/Q; bring all computing manufacturers under strict controls on process and quotas, comparable to arms and pharma; implement a strict licensing regime and confiscate all computing with the capability to train or run models; implement strict controls on all hardware to enforce code execution; implement strict controls and licensure of all software development; and on and on and on.
Again, assuming the threat model you describe is plausible, any proposal less than this is just a regulatory capture grift.
Even more reason to let people go wild with open models