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Completely agree. Besides, if clicking above/below the thumb is PgUp/PgDn, that means the buttons get smaller as you get closer to your destination, making them harder to press. Not good UX! The main counter argument to instantly moving I can think of, is that people may miss-click when trying to resize a window, and struggle to find their way back. Maybe a Ctrl-Z for window location history wouldn't be such a bad idea. You could piggyback off Vim's jump list which is navigable with Ctrl-O and Ctrl-I, though I'm sure a lot of applications already register those mappings.

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> counter ... people may miss-click when trying to resize a window

That's a counter against another common sin of UI design that's stuck in the past, another superficially appealing idea that requires users hunting for tiny lines for common operations. That one should be fixed instead of making the scroll bar worse. (they even have that whole dedicated "windows" button that doesn't properly manage... windows)

Besides, lack of proper universal undo (that can undo selection/position changes, including windows) is yet another desktop UI design failure. Similarly to what you've noted, the solution to which is yet again fixing that instead of breaking useful functionality in other elements. So maybe it should be Win+Z to undo window resizing/moving?

My windows button properly handles windows. Window + left arrow snaps left. Windows + down snaps it down. Etc… It’s literally the best default window manager any OS has.

Nothing proper about that. Your right hand is on your mouse, which you use to move the window border. What's your Winkey answer to that? The actions you named don't resize in the way you want to and require moving your hand off the mouse to the cursor keys... and then back.

If your hand is on the mouse you already have a faster way to snap windows without the keyboard.

No you don't, you could avoid some mouse actions by also using a keyboard, so it'll be faster and more convenient

You're correct! I wrongly assumed that people were using their computers with:

A) Both hands on the keyboard, making it easy to reach both the Win key and the arrow keys at the same time to snap your windows.

B) One hand on the keyboard and one hand on the mouse, making window snapping instant with the mouse.

But I forgot that this is HN, so a significant proportion of readers also use their computers with both hands on the mouse, or no hands and one foot each for the keyboard and for the mouse.

Edit: Sorry for being sarcastic.

You wrongly assumed that your perception of what's "faster" is correct just because it's setup that way by the OS.

> A) Both hands on the keyboard, making it easy to reach both the Win key and the arrow keys at the same time to snap your windows.

It might be "easy" to reach arrow keys, but it's even easier and faster not having to do that

> B) making window snapping instant with the mouse

Your left window slightly overlaps the right one. You want to resize it by reducing its width by ~5% and its height by ~9% to avoid that Name your "instant" list of mouse actions to achieve that.

Leave a visual "shadow" of the scroll knob at the old position every time somebody clicks the bar to jump. Then the user can quickly snap back to where they where.

Then they can also jump back and forth effortlessly between two places in a document.

Seems like a great idea, have any apps implemented it?

Never seen it anywhere, but I think it would be very intuitive and practical.

The only somewhat similar function I've seen is on Kindle when you jump between footnotes or chapters, and they provide a very convenient interface for jumping back, but buttons instead of scroll bars.

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