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As an "everyday mans AI" I'd say 3.8 Flash definitely already has. Smart enough for the vast swath of people, and only slightly eeked out by Astra(Max) on vision capabilities, like the kind of "Point your camera at something and ask questions" that non-tech people like to do. It's crazy fast and very compute light, so not getting bogged down constantly.

I can't think of a better general purpose model than 3.8 flash right now. It also writes more naturally than the other big models too.

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I find it really good and up-to-date, like within an hour of current events or website updates that it can reference. Astra is a step up for complex stuff, but I'm not going to use up all my tokens to ask it the specs of a 2023 MacBook pro then wait 3 minutes only to get a tome with a complete breakdown of the Mac OS platform and including such things as the supply side dynamics driving the ram size choices and pricing at that time.

I was thinking about coding specifically. Also, see all these math and physics breakthroughs, it's usually not Gemini but Fable and Astra.

I think 3.7 Flash is very good at coding. I have access to both that and Opus 5. Opus is only slightly better IMO and it's much more frustrating to read.

I think it's good at basic coding and is cheaper and faster. Trying it vs Fable 5.1 I don't see it being even close capability-wise. What I mean by basic coding is "write a script to parse this data" and answering some questions based on the code. It does that well and answers fast. However, when it comes to planning and thinking through a more complicated design problem it's just not there yet.

It's not even close. Some benchmarks show 3.8 Flash as being close to Astra (DeepSWE v1.1), but they are mostly "bench-maxed". Newer benchmarks like Terminal-Bench 4.0 show Astra at 57.9% and 3.8 Flash at 19.1%. For anyone who has tried to code with Gemini models, there is no contest here.

Astra wins handily on every other benchmark, too. Research, science, 3D, visual, Humanity's Last Exam, etc.

You can't compare a heavyweight, expensive and slow model to Flash. Comparing apples to oranges.

I agree, and I didn't compare them. The users above me did. I was explaining that they are, in fact, incomparable.

Not only that, the output of tps is high. So not only can it handle most mid-level tasks perfectly fine, but can do it with speed!

Yeah +1 to this

People use text with LLMs but it's great to have a high fidelity "analyze this image"

Yeah its good. Reasonably priced too (at current prices, if they do raise them in January I would stop recommending it). 3.7/3.8 were good releases.

To me it's a good replacement for search engines. I ask it things like 'If redshifting destroys energy ala Noether, than how can we say that time is reversible or that entropy will find an equilibrium?' and it will not only explain, but make nice interactive diagram/toys to help. A regular search engine would have taken me hours to find an answer.

However, if I want it to DO something then Gemini is in absolute last place. I don't trust it for anything more than renaming files that I don't care about very much or extracting data (though it's too expensive for data extraction at scale).

I’ve mapped my iPhone Action Button directly in to Google App AI Mode (which is Gemini 3.8 but faster inference than the Gemini App, due to harness)

It’s for this exact kind of scenario where a random question pops in to my head.

Plus, it’s the most grounded by real live data of all the chatbots.

Silicon Valley people are majorly sleeping on Google Search AI Mode.

where did you see the prices?

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