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I'll bite. The problem is when you lose the visa and no grace period rule is in place, you are now an illegal immigrant instantly. The category now up for grab for ICE's concentration camp, at least theoretically, including all of your dependents because their visa is voided as well. How practical is it to get a plane ticket for today/tomorrow the moment you are laid off? Do people who get laid off also gets a teleportation machine?

As others have pointed out, this grace period did not exist before 2017, and prior administrations have managed to do just fine without building teleportation machines or conducting Trump style raids. If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. But there has to be a line somewhere. Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered. Two months is crazy though.

> Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered

I believe that’s already the law. https://www.uscis.gov/archive/options-for-nonimmigrant-worke...

“The maximum 60-day grace period starts the day after termination of employment, which is typically determined based on the last day for which a salary or wage is paid.”

That’s different from what I said. I think it’s pretty uncommon to receive your last paycheck on your last day. It’s usually the end of the next pay period

California employees who are discharged must be paid all wages due at the time of termination. (Labor Code § 201)

> If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them.

That likely was the assumption and source of trust, i.e. enforcement's goal is to uphold order and has a sense of logic when being implemented. The current upset has a context of the breach of such trust. In other words, the enforcement now is sometimes aligned with Trump's domestic politics maneuver rather than immigration law enforcement, it is increasingly hard to not interpret new rules between the lines.

It’s still not a new rule though, it’s the old rule, and not even that old. The new part is the violence from masked ICE officers and they’re not even bothering to check visas half the time. It’s a different problem. A two month grace period was always overly generous.

It's insane to expect people to move to a different country with zero days notice.

Seems like a fine trade if you want to make the big bucks in American tech. No risk, no reward.

> The point of H1B is that the talent is so rare and valuable that it can’t be found domestically. If you get fired or laid off, hate to say it but you weren’t valuable enough to keep around.

Since H1B visa holders possess valuable business skills that can’t be found domestically it makes sense to recruit them when they become available

Layoffs often have nothing to do with specific individuals, so your last assertion is false.

Agree to disagree. Layoffs have everything to do with the position which the person was hired for. If your position or department is eliminated, whatever value it was providing to the company is no longer worth it in the balance sheet.

There is a thing called human dignity that isn't inherently tied to a corporate balance sheet.

Ok? You can treat someone with dignity while also laying them off because they/their department is losing money

lmao. pretty soon you won't be valuable enough to keep around.

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