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I mean in that sense nothing is autonomous right? As a human I need to be taught, fed, socialized, given instructions, etc…

Idk man when codex is working 13 hours straight based on a few line prompt, it feels autonomous to me.

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well the OS kernel does quite a lot and stays autonomous for even more hours and seems super smart to me - I don't even know what tis doing most of the time, but it does it very well. autonomy and predictability are different things then. the fact something is unpredictable does not make it more autonomous than something that we can trace the logic for.

The kernel is programmed, and it only ever does exactly what it was programmed to do. So all of its behavior must be specified, and any problem it “solves” was solved by the programmer who told it exactly how to solve that problem. That is not autonomous.

Autonomous is when I tell codex “here is the chat where the user reported the issue. Solve the problem they reported” and I come back later and the problem is solved.

It's certainly doing a lot of things in that 13 hours that weren't specified in the original prompt!

Yes which is exactly my point? It can handle the ambiguity of a simple prompt. It can look into the problem I’ve pointed it at, figure out what is really go on, and implement a correct solution, autonomously.

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