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Privacy is non-negotiable for corporate. Even without considering costs or country of origin, we've seen from OpenAI that claims of AI safety are worth less than the (virtual) paper they're printed on.

All it takes is one incident, and all your company's internal data will start showing up in public users' chats. You can rely on a contract to prevent this, or you can guarantee it by using a locally hosted model you fully control.

When combined with the cost savings and good enough performance mentioned in the article, this can become a huge selling point.

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> Privacy is non-negotiable for corporate.

Corporate doesn't care at all about privacy. It's why the run outlook and windows and let Microsoft scoop up all of their company secrets. It's why they hand every scrap of data they have on their customers to salesforce and surrender their data to Atlassian and use Confluence and JIRA over countless alternatives.

All companies care about is that when data breaches happen publicly they can point the finger at someone else.

Some industries are forced to care about privacy. HIPAA does have some holes, but IT are extremely cautious. What that ultimately means is a contract that shifts liability to the vendor. And from what I understand legal is in danger of getting to a similar place because courts are ruling things shared with remote AI are not inherently protected by privilege (meaning they are discoverable).

And with things like Fable mandating data retention at Anthropic it makes things business records which US Federal Administrations have a history of obtaining without warrants and under mandatory gag orders like national security letters. They generally won't issue those directly to law firms (because they can and will fight), but IT companies generally comply quietly and have government contracts to think about.

Ah, Jira, the urinal of corporate cyberspace. You would literally be better off divining with some bunches of reeds than trying to figure out what the hell is going on with some stupid upside down Austrialian trash software.

Your welcome to use the wonderful BMC Helix remedyforce platform we are forced to use at work... I'll take jira any day over this pile of expensive, Gartner recommended garbage of a product.

Is this not true for everything then? All cloud services, all Internet providers, everything within M365, OneDrive and Databricks?

Claude is different from S3. AWS doesn’t need to rifle through your files to stay ahead of the competition or to mine them for business ideas because the core business is overvalued and rapidly commoditizing. AI labs, on the other hand, have an incentive to exploit every last drop of data they can lay their ethically challenged hands on. And they’ve already demonstrated that they will do this, even when it involves blatant fiduciary violations (see eg, Anthropic / Figma board member scandal).

I have never heard of a cloud service of ISP actively taking corporate data and shoving it into other users inbox. If my company has a proprietary solution to a math problem that nobody else knows about but the AI service that we have been working with has access to it and Billy Main Competitor ALSO has that service and asks "how would one solve this math problem" the second the AI spills the beans, the suits in the c-suit would lose it and sue the AI.

If however, our internal IT group didn't read the manual correctly and set up our cloud service access parameters incorrectly so that anyone who was trying to probe our defenses could access the formula, Jim from IT is looking for a new job.

See the difference?

> I have never heard of a cloud service of ISP actively taking corporate data and shoving it into other users inbox.

You'd never hear about if it the cloud service was taking your corporate data and using it for countless other things though. Insider trading, selling leads to your competitors, pushing ads to your clients/customers with offers of their own products, using trends in what your company and others are doing to guide development of their own products and services. Done carefully, you'd never be able to trace any of it back to them and it'd take a whistleblower for you to find out it happened in the first place.

I don't imagine any cloud service that has massive amounts of data which could easily make them a ton of money is just ignoring it.

The burden of proof is on you.

I doubt they want to risk their reputation, trust and agreements to make money in the ways you describe.

Corporations are amoral psychopaths that don't care about anything except getting more money and power. We have countless examples of them lying, violating the law, and even murdering large numbers of people (including babies) to get it. What makes you think a corporation would ever choose their "reputation, trust and agreements" over money and power?

Encryption?

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