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I'm not quite sure what immigration has to do with a national ID system in the US. Seems like you just wanted to bring that up to be able to say "man that'd be so much easier if you got rid of all the immigrants" which it would have no impact either way on this particular issue

Also on the rotating schedule thing, driver's licenses expire in the US, usually on a 5-10 year cadence. Replacing the physical cards was not even remotely close to the issue we had with getting REAL ID implemented, the cards themselves aren't special they just have an extra indicator on them. It was about putting in requirements around new documentation and proof of identity, citizenship, and residence and most states not being ready to handle that

For example my home state of Alabama issues licenses through the state department of public safety. That's who does the initial test to see if you're fit to drive, etc. But, once you have it you can then renew your license at a city or county office. These offices take a HUGE burden off the state, but they're not qualified to do the verification needed under federal law for REAL ID. So, to get a compliant ID you'd need to go to one of the very few state offices and they were overwhelmed

This is the type of issue with the system in the US, not the physical card, not the big scary illegal immigrant problem

> I'm not quite sure what immigration has to do with a national ID system in the US.

It was explained right there in the comment. Illegal immigrants are often able to get services because the ID system is such a patchwork that they can manage to slip through the cracks.

And attempting to implement any sort of widespread centralized ID is going to be met with resistance not just from people such as myself but also from those who attempt to shield illegal aliens on the basis of opposing those who want to reduce immigration.

You do not need to be a documented US resident to get a driver's license, it is surprising anyone would expect that. Immigration is federal — the state only wants to know if you know how to drive. The state cares very little about your immigration status for almost all things.

We were talking about national versus state managed ID systems, not drivers licenses.

isn't the immigrant question a real obstacle for political change towards fixing this problem? That we would have to come to some kind of consensus on what to do for illegal immigrants

As long gangs are running the political discourse (anti-id, anti-flock, etc) - good luck in having functioning society. I say that as someone who just spent 3 months in Europe and witnessing farcical bureaucracy.

Hmm, so if you are anti-flock because you were disturbed by the girls swimming pool cameras being viewed hundreds of times by employees and cops, you are also a gang?

We are all supposed to be pro-perversion now too?

IDK seems opposite - these people are quick to summon simpsons meme if child protection is ever mentioned. Some are trying to protect their rights to delivering them mindwash porn and other sexual exploitation material that can’t even be mentioned in this forum without getting banned.

Don’t gangs almost always run political discourse?

>driver's licenses expire in the US, usually on a 5-10 year cadence

Standard Arizona drivers licenses only expire when the licensee turns 65 years of age, and must be renewed every 5 years thereafter.

You don't have to update your picture? You can be wandering around using a 40 year old ID card? That doesn't sound right.

The photograph does have its own expiration timeline, which is not printed on the card. So yes, it was a little surprising to receive that letter, calling me into the office for another photo shoot.

> which is not printed on the card

So what happens if you just don't show up?

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