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> By using uv, you are literally supporting the people who want to make you unemployed for stock options.

By using any FOSS or software produced by software developers and programmers, you are supporting the idea that computation can and should be automated, instead of having humans doing it. This is the origin of computing, and what we've been doing so far, and it continues to "eat the world" via automation, just like the past decades of it.

That is a false equivalency. FOSS started as a counter movement against Microsoft in order to escape from surveillance and corporate control.

The AI cartel is the new Microsoft.

It is amazing how software developers have been brainwashed. Ted Ts'o, Google employee and pro-AI shill at Debian and LWN, recently argued that supporting AI is similar to supporting the Internet in 2000.

That is another fallacy. The Internet is a common carrier and was supposed to lead to freedom in 2000. It has nothing to do with outsourcing your thinking to a bunch of wannabe trillionaires.

> That is a false equivalency. FOSS started as a counter movement against Microsoft in order to escape from surveillance and corporate control.

"Programming" as a concept started with humans being "tired" of manually calculating things, then it became faster than humans, and now our sand can talk human language.

And speaking about false equivalency, there are plenty of models you can run locally yourself. I agree that big tech sucks, and many places in the world need less surveillance and less corporate control, but I don't think the entire LLM-space (besides very obviously the biggest companies) are responsible for that kind of usage.

Is 'tired' here in scare quotes or are you referencing something? And if it wasn't faster from the get-go, how did it address the fatigue?

The Internet relies on physical infrastructure managed by sovereign nations and multinational corporations, it would never be free from those constraints. Until we reach post-scarcity utopia and harmony between all of humanity—ironically, something that could be enabled by AI—the Internet will never be "free".

Oh poo, I can download an open weights model now and build glorious things with it. I can train my own, finetune on someone elses, or host a complete package. What is this AI cartel? Are we complaining that they engineer better harnesses? Well, great! What prevents us from doing the same?

> FOSS started as a counter movement against Microsoft in order to escape from surveillance and corporate control.

??? FOSS was around before that, famously so.

The rise of Microsoft made FOSS more important, but FOSS wasn't a reaction to surveillance and control, when it started even multi-user networks were practically unprotected, and it was quite easy indeed to see what other users were up to.

The phone phreaks were the ones who were worried about corporate control of comms, the FOSS people just couldn't figure out why people were paying for software with the hood welded shut when there was better software available to those willing to help contribute to it.

It's so human that many software engineers started to worry about automation and being replaced when it started to be something that might affect them.

And it is machine like that many software engineers still cheer on being replaced once it is happening.

Software engineers are the socially dumbest creatures on the planet and deserve every bit of scorn that was heaped on them at high school. The industry used them for multi level marketing since about 2010 and now has instructed them to direct the MLM against themselves.

And they comply!

“You hate society yet you still participate in it” with smug soyjack face isn’t the slam dunk you think it is.

What is the word? "Facetious"?

Maybe you left the L out on purpose, maybe you didn't. In any case: the L is about who is (or is able to) doing the automating. Users, not programmers, should be in charge.

Well, it's fast. Perhaps "they" want me and everyone else unemployed, but it's not immediate and not particularly certain. However, I can use uv here and now to greatly simplify my workflows, so I use it.

> Astral people are already in the comments making pro AI coding statements.

I can't see any other comment on this post mentioning AI, did you just make this up?

I think this sockpuppet is referring to a different thread I commented in yesterday. But I think it would be an uncharitable stretch to read what I wrote in an official voice, much less “pro” in an unqualified sense.

If you're going to be unemployed anyway, and they don't gain a single penny by you using it, then what does this protest gain?

Wrong assumptions:

- "unemployed anyway" does not appear in the post you reply to.

- They gain market share and goodwill from fools. Not all gains have to be immediate monetary gains.

You could as well say that using ChatGPT is beneficial since it causes losses to OpenAI right now.

It's laughable to suggest few people can change OpenAI's destiny by not using uv. Even if Astral goes bottom up, nothing happens OpenAI. So it's not like using ChatGPT.

I think `pdm` is much nicer. I think if pdm had become a think earlier people would have switched from poetry to pdm rather than this uv thing which is a lot of different things at once.

I'm a bit confused. pdm hit 1.0 in 2021, 3 years before uv was released.

It didn't really become that popular. Not as popular as poetry at least. I think the poetry guy famous, but I don't really remember. He was very opinionated, and pdm addressed many of the issues people had with poetry.

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