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Do you have an example of one of these texts that called the event in Ceuta an "invasion" but at the same time distanced itself from the American Right?

Sounds like the Goomba fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy

What a coincidence that someone posting anti-EU stuff would use Russian expression

“So people sending requests to my web server is fine, but when I send ten thousand requests per second to other people’s web servers suddenly they call it a DDoS! Very unfair.”

A maneauvor whereupon a foreign power allows as many people into a small enclave as already live there (literally 60k into a territory of 80k) cannot be called anything other than "invasion". When did Mexico conspire to help 60k people breach into Texas? Let me know and we can have that conversation, maybe I missed it.

As a side-note it was the "dangerous communist leftist" Sanchez which swiftly took control of the situation and defended what was in effect an external EU border, while Melloni et al rubbed their hands and tried to score some cheap points while doing fuck all to help. Food for thought if you ask me...

The US situation is more nuanced than you're framing it as. Even in Mexico there's largely negative sentiment against illegal immigration, as they also suffer from it with the caravans composed primarily of large numbers of young unattached males from a mish mash of places in South America pass through Mexico. They don't tend to leave happiness in their wake. The majority of Mexicans (55%) want them forcibly deported with a slightly smaller majority (51%) of supporting using the National Guard to carry out and enforce such deportations. [1]

Nobody knows exactly how many have come over, but there are estimated to be around 15 million illegal immigrants in the US, primarily via the southern border. For scale, the largest city in the US is NYC with about 8.5 million people. The 10th largest is Fort Worth, Texas with about 1 million. And that's after multiple waves of amnesty legalized millions more, which obviously did nothing but further incentivize more illegal immigration, exactly as in Spain.

[1] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/unauthoriz...

[1] - https://archive.is/KruVX

So the question becomes, since Mexico is really really huge, why doesn’t the Mexican governemt do anything about these caravans? Not to mention that Mexico is pretty narrow at its southern end.

The border between Mexico and Guatemala is more than 500 miles long. Another issue is think about what's involved in stopping a thousand young males, plenty of them ready to fight. The reason these groups come in 'caravans' is because it makes it difficult to stop them without resorting to inhumane actions. And a thousand is fairly small relative to the size some of them reach. Another issue is money. Imagine you spend "only" $1000 per deported illegal immigrant, and in reality it's probably going to be substantially, if not magnitudes, more after all costs are accounted for. That'd already be tens of billions of dollars given that you're speaking of a problem on the scale of tens of millions.

> The reason these groups come in 'caravans' is because it makes it difficult to stop them without resorting to inhumane actions.

There is nothing inhumane shooting at people trying to illegally cross your borders. You can mine the forest there, build some fences with sensors and stuff. Solutions exist, my question is why no one is implementing them?

there are several hundred thousand illegal crossings in Texas every year. the government might not be involved but there certainly are organizations involved in this.

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