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Judging by how slow your site is at 7am EST, I'd say your sale is a big success :)

Anyone used AppCode? I'm tempted to give it a try, but what's its killer features compared to Xcode? If refactoring works with ObjC++ that'd be a great start; worth EUR23 alone.

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http://codesheriff.blogspot.com/2012/02/xcode-vs-appcode.htm...

This article summed it up quite well for me when I was making the decision.

This screenshot alone is worth $25 to me: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nGVTKms6ALo/TysNLgb6rGI/AAAAAAAAAJ...

Thanks, both: very helpful.

It works great for me. If I'm making just minor code tweaks or configuration changes, I stay on Xcode. Whenever I expect to do more coding, I launch AppCode.

I had already been an Intellij user for a few years before starting on iOS projects on the side. At the time, AppCode wasn't available yet, so I had no choice. The more I used Xcode, the more I lamented the lack of choice.

Once AppCode came out, I bought it right away. It's a lot more stable and usable now, and I would definitely recommend it to anyone who has used anything other than Xcode.

If you've been an Xcode user all your life, you don't really know any better, and that's fine, more power to you.

If you've used any other IDE before, you know the features that Xcode lacks, and AppCode is the alternative you've been hoping for.

Thanks. I'm a long-standing IntelliJ user; I ditched Eclipse in favour of it at my day job 4 years ago and I never looked back. Looks like I'll try it.

AppCode has been a wonderful tool for me. I have been using it since the EAP of 1.0. If you've used IntelliJ IDEA before you will feel very comfortable here. The refactorings are great and only getting better. The debugger and the ability to inspect variables much more easily that in Xcode is awesome. I just recently renewed my support on AppCode and I could have saved some cash, but the tool is so inexpensive as it is that I don't care. But, I am going to buy my upgrade to IntelliJ IDEA 12 today. I've had every version of IDEA since version 2!

But, again AppCode is an awesome tool. When you consider the only way JetBrains can write a tool that reads Xcode projects is to constantly reverse engineer what Apple puts out, it's quite amazing.

I'm using it as well since the 1.0 EAP. However, one thing I miss from Xcode (I can't believe I'm saying this) is the handling of breakpoints.

As per this article: http://www.cimgf.com/2012/12/13/xcode-lldb-tutorial/, in Xcode it's possible to change the values of variables on the fly, while debugging, using breakpoints. I don't think that's possible at the moment with AppCode (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Having said that, I'm 99% of my day in AppCode and I go to Xcode only for xib editing and this kind of advanced lldb debugging.

Any major limitations of using IDEA with Ruby and Python plugins, versus RubyMine + PyCharm?

I prefer the idea of a single extensible IDE, but can't figure out the tradeoffs by reading the descriptions.

I've never looked at the difference between the three. But, from what I have read/understand, is that IDEA Ultimate can do anything RubyMine or PyCharm can do via their respective plugins.

Here's an old doc from JetBrains about RubyMine and Intellij IDEA: http://devnet.jetbrains.net/docs/DOC-1146

I'm trying like hell to get a copy of AppCode, guess I'll be hitting F5 all day trying to get it in the cart. For $25 I have to try it... big fan of other JetBrains products.

I'll probably wait for tomorrow.. it's not like it's going to be sold out (I hope).

"Judging by how slow your site is at 7am EST, I'd say your sale is a big success :)"

I'm not using any proxy service, but was just taken to the Czech version of the site. At the bottom of the prices page "Purchases from Czech Republic are charged in EUR. If you are not from Czech Republic, please select your country", unfortunately, the United States isn't on the list. So I'd say they're more than slow at the moment.

The US is on the list. It's at the top (2nd item) instead of being in alphabetical order. This would work great if it weren't defaulting to Czech. By the way, web designers trying to do this: add the "special" values at the top of the list (so they're easy to find) AND ALSO in alphabetical order (in case users go looking) -- it still works fine with duplicate entries.

They put United States near the top of the list, not in alphabetic order.

mcherm & akavel - Thank you. I've seen this on other lists, but those lists actually display that top list first. When I chose the IntelliJ country options it put me directly at the Czech option, so I didn't even try the top of the list.

mcherm - yes, for usability purposes they should be put in both places

killer feature being it doesn't crash every 15 minutes!

I've used Xcode for C programming. It's great for that on a mac, esepcially since debugging is built in and I don't have to turn to DDD all the time. And so far it's only crashed about 3-4 times during the 6-8 months I was using it pretty much daily.

The original xcode4 was very buggy. Nowadays it works fine, even if it doesn't have all the fancy editing of a JetBrains IDE. My biggest complaint is that xcode4 removed a lot of the automation hooks that xcode3.x had, and it doesn't seem that they will ever be added back.

I am still waiting for it to go multi-platform.

That will probably never happen. The tool is geared around iOS and Mac development. You have to have Apple's SDK, on a Mac running OS X (which is the only 'legal' way). You'd never be able to compile or run the code.

Exactly, what I mean is that I would like to have an IDE of JetBrains quality to be able to do Objective-C/C++ multiplatform.

I could care less about iOS development as it is not part of my day job.

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