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Just check the facts about each and every government in the middle east.
Netanyahu said that "Qatar is not an enemy country". Is he wrong about that? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-08-14/ty-article/.p...
Qatar is spreading fake information and is funding Hamas as well as anti-Israel classes in major US colleges.
If you don’t trust Netanyahu then you should disregard the link you shared as well and that just strengthens my point.
I see almost zero concern for people of Sudan, North Korea, Russia, Ukraine, Uighurs, Detained US immigrants etc and I'd say zero anger towards these people's oppressors, as if they are just "good guys misunderstood".
Of course I believe all people should be safe, free from harm etc, but I just cannot some how get totally outraged about one specific cause and neglect all the rest. The only reason I could imagine myself doing this is if I'd been "red pilled" by some social media campaigns, which I suspect more people than I'd like to admit are.
It's one thing to see bad things happening. It's another to know they are being directly enabled by your taxes.
You can see it here on HN whenever, for example, someone mentioned censorship by Chinese models, there will be responses trying to change the topic to Gaza, with the misinformation that Western models refuse to discuss that issue.
It is so effective, because they make such an easy target of themselves all the time. Anyone following the news and thinking a bit and maybe also keeping track of their crimes, could easily believe any claims about any additional crimes Israel is engaging in. Their own behavior makes it very easy to believe they have done even more terrible crimes.
Escalation of conflicts into wars with any neighbor country, that isn't on a tree by the count of 3. Assassinations of disliked individuals, regardless of in which country they reside, just like Russia did in the UK. Inhumane treatment of prisoners. Incredible discrimination of their neighbors. Supporting violent and armed mobs, to rob people of their homes. Illegal expansion of territory.
I mean, with that sort of track record, there is not much we wouldn't believe they are capable of. And then you have completely delusional people online, who go maximalist in their attitude, trying to defend all of that and trying to lay claim to all the territory that Israel would love to conquer. That's basically the Zionists. I don't see how they are not loath-worthy, and I also haven't yet seen something like a "mild, non-maximalist Zionist", who would convince me of "not all Zionists are bad".
> I see almost zero concern for people of Sudan, North Korea, Russia, Ukraine, Uighurs, Detained US immigrants etc and I'd say zero anger towards these people's oppressors, as if they are just "good guys misunderstood".
That's because in some of those cases there is little influence that "the West" has. I do think, that you are grouping quite uneven situations there though.
Sudan: Inner country turmoil, civil war and militias. What exactly do you expect others to do? March in?
North Korea: Eh, well, a crazy dictatorship, armed with nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. At least they stay contained in their own country mostly, when they are not sending meat to Russia.
Russia: It is being dealt with by Ukraine and its supporters. They are f'ed for the coming decades and maybe will even crumble under the looming economic crisis. All because their dictator couldn't help but invade a neighbor and doubles down infinitely.
Ukraine: But the West _does_ do something about it? I mean, did you follow the news the last couple of years? Ukraine's supporters are everywhere!
Uighurs: What exactly _is_ the situation? Have you visited Xinjiang?
US immigrants: How are they comparable with all the other situations you have mentioned?
> but I just cannot some how get totally outraged about one specific cause and neglect all the rest.
Then you have an eternity of feeling bad ahead of you. We have so many crisis and bad situations and crimes against humanity ongoing on this planet, that you will never be not outraged. I don't think we can "demand" outrage from others. A human only can show they care about so much. Gotta pick your battles.
Some examples:
> Escalation of conflicts into wars with any neighbor country, that isn't on a tree by the count of 3.
Israel has had peace with Egypt and Jordan for decades (2 of its 4 neighbors with the largest borders).
It has gone to war with Hezbollah after months of missile fire that kept the north of Israel evacuated for more than a year.
> Assassinations of disliked individuals, regardless of in which country they reside, just like Russia did in the UK
This is disingenuous. Russia assassinated a political opponent. Israel went after leaders of a group that killed Israelis.
> Incredible discrimination of their neighbors.
I don’t even know what this means. They treat some neighbors better than others?
Just in case you are really that uninformed, you should look into Israeli (Mossad) assessinations on foreign soils. They are eliminating political opponents, scientists and journalists all the time. They are the nation that killed the most journalists in any recent modern conflict.
Why don't you look into the many other regimes who assassinate people on foreign soils, do you feel outraged about it?
I don't think people are arguing any of this is bad. They are arguing that people seem to get very upset about "Israel" doing the same thing other countries do, and for me, that seems very manufactured.
According to UN, reporters without borders, Stop Killing Journalists, International Federation of Journalists, and the Committee to Protect Journalists.
Israel has killed more journalists in 180 days than all major conflicts around the world since World War 1.
See for example:
https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/2071907247660073452
https://unwatch.org/report-unescos-misidentification-of-terr...
Also, your claim about all conflicts is ridiculous, and easily falsified.
But it’s also October 7 that made the average joe even more extreme in their opinions.
This is absolutely true but people don't want to hear about this. Qatar is the main propagator of many student bodies in the US. This is how you get students saying "gloabalize intifada", "death to the USA”, occupying buildings, etc.
Qatar has a long, well funded strategy for influence in the west which is pretty much their only leverage.
In addition they are the main funders of Hamas, alongside hosting the Hamas leaders in fancy hotels in Doha for many, many years.
I doubt there are any true friends in the middle east, just temporary allies of convinence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Does this mean that USA and Israel aren't friends?
Obama used social networks to spread a milquetoast 'yes we can' message, not to justify an ongoing genocide. How is that even a comparison. Israel is closer to Triumph des Willens than it is to promoting the Affordable Care Act, you do realize that right?
It's not 'far from being a perfect state', it's waging old testament wars of extermination on its neighbors and towns