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Many different people in this HN submission have given you similar feedback: given that, you should consider that your priors are not correct.

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It could also be that this site has created its own hive-mind environment. Which is especially and bizzarely intolerant of AI at the moment.

I don't want the prompt - I may not have access to an LLM to evaluate it. The entire argument here is misguided, and deeply angry about AI.

It's equivalent to answering a question with "google it". Which is often times just plain rude.

People having preferences different from you is not a hive mind.

Of course not. I didn't say anything like that.

But I do see a consistent trend here regarding hostility to AI. It seems to be a pattern, and a strange one.

I've never had someone angry at me for posting a Google search, for example.

I've never seen anyone post a copy-and-paste of some pages of the Google search results while also excluding the search term, and I would find that bizzare. I would assume that you, like most people posting a Google search, would post the link to that search, which in the case of Google includes a copy of what would be equivalent to the prompt. In my experience, most people posting Google links would also include a short explanation of why they think it relevant were it not immediately obvious.

>I've never seen anyone post a copy-and-paste of some pages

I have.

For example, I was looking for a bathmat. My wife pasted me a list. Just a week ago.

I don't think my wife is bizarre. It's unfortunate that you do.

I said I would find the action bizarre ("that", not "them"). Personally, I don't find it unfortunate to admit that some things still surprise me. If you choose to interpret that as judgement of your wife as a person, then that is up to you.

She just wanted to show me what she wanted; I don't think she wanted to encourage me to choose a different color.

SO BIZZARE!

Again, you are free to interpret my comments however you wish. My primary intent was to express my belief that people having different preferences to you regarding reading AI output does not constitute some bizzare hivemind, which you appear to have accepted. Your preferences regarding communications between yourself and your wife are none of my business. I recognise preferences may exist, and I am not one to kink-shame.

My dearest dude -

You called my wife bizarre. Then you said "TECHNICALLY, I didn't call your WIFE bizarre I called her ACTIONS bizarre."

I would ask you to stop talking to me, but it seems unlikely to work.

So. You have a nice day, now.

You're the one who decided to imagine that a reasonable discussion comment was an attack on your wife. You're also the one who started out calling things bizarre. As somebody not involved in this discussion, to me it looks like drama-seeking behavior.

I do think that the anti-AI mentality around here is bizarre.

I do not think that forwarding a listing from Google is bizarre.

These seem like reasonable positions to me.

I am very sorry if my voicing these beliefs makes you uncomfortable.

I'm not uncomfortable or upset. I'm just a long-time HN denizen pointing out some behavior I think is toxic to a healthy community. You're vigorously trying to make reasonable people look bad.

I knew you wouldn't like me pointing it out, but the comment wasn't really for you. It's for the other reasonable people who are having to read or endure your bad behavior.

Yes, I agree - no comment in these threads is for the recipient. It’s for the audience. And I appreciate you engaging with me earnestly and thoughtfully.

But I disagree with your “toxic”. I think HN has a fear of conflict: the “civility” argument from politics/Clinton circa 2016. And look where we are today.

Sadly, conflict is sometimes necessary to resolve problems.

For example, right now, the anti-AI thing is pure madness. I understand it is based in fear, and I have sympathy for that. But much of human ugliness is based in fear, and sometimes conflict is necessary to get a community past its fears. Humans are stubborn.

So, again, I am sorry for your discomfort.

Again, bub, I'm not uncomfortable. I am saying you are a bad HN participant, making this place worse. I am not averse to conflict, but neither am I fond of dressing up an enjoyment of conflict and pointless drama as something that's somehow healthy.

Yes, I understand what you are saying. And I’m saying I disagree.

> bub

And now I’m sorry for your anger.

>It could also be that this site has created its own hive-mind environment. Which is especially and bizzarely intolerant of AI at the moment.

Really? I wonder where else you haunt because this is the most pro-AI place I'm around, both in fervor and number.

Well - as one example - today I found someone doing a "Show HN" about an AI system that will make an entire game for you via a chat interface.

The topmost comments were ugly attacks.

For HN, like with other polarizing topics, it also very much depends on which articles you look at.

I don't wasn't the prompt to feed my own LLM, i want the prompt because i don't give a shit about the LLM and only care what you have to say

Except I'm lying, i don't want the prompt either, i want your human writing because even bad human writing is less insufferable than LLM slop

There are also many others stating the same things - and they are getting flagged and downvoted for it.

Just because those of you who disagree are more vocal, downvote and flag-happy doesn't make you right.

HE WOULD NEVER FLAG SOMEONE JUST FOR DISAGREEING!

He would make up an excuse that is entirely untrue and then flag them.

Oh wait, I'm thinking of my last encounter with him.

If you're going to directly accuse me of malfeasance, link the threads so people can make their own opinions.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49233565

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49242231

Sadly - most people on the site can't read them. Only the power users, such as yourself.

But I am glad you've decided to engage. Now will you answer my question?

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