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Encryption or not, if it's on somebody else's server, it isn't yours. I don't believe Google has my best interest.

With Fully Homomorphic Encryption it's nobody elses.

The basic idea of of the project is to remove the need for trust.

It's google. They are good at engineering. Not at creating trust. After the bizillionth time they have broken trust, there is no need for benefit of the doubt.

Yeah. Google is an ad business. Their entire motive for getting invested in AI is ad revenue. We're supposed to believe they just... won't turn on the money fountain? After going into the red for their data center investments? Hell nah.

I'd expect this to be something like the Google Ad ID: technically separated from what Google considers personal information, but trivially easy to tie back to an individual person and to other information about that person.

They're continually breaking trust by illegally scraping up the internet to feed to their plagiarism machine, which they are now asking us to trust with more data. It's not a compelling arguement.

This blog post is about an open source project that you can look at for yourself and decide whether it's suitable for your use case.

Sure. But it will be trickled down into project by google which will effect us all and we won't have a say.

There's more to life than branding.

so what's the option ??? Meta ?? xAi ?? or OpenAI ???

Why should there by any reason to look at the above ones? We are talking about this B2C company which effects a lot of our lives. The discussion isn't about that or this. The discussion is about JUST this specific company.

It was not my intent to undercut cryptography as a field or in its use. Consider client side scanning for photos before they're encrypted and uploaded to the cloud. I see no difference AI's future. Content, maybe encrypted, but a form of client-side scanning, or the model itself, will report users.

To what end?

Biometric authentication, credential checking, blind auctions, threat matching (search zero-day signatures without revealing the vectors), private dna matching or running queries of medical symptoms and health records against databases.

I think the most immediately useful is checking if a username/password hash appears in a leaked database without revealing which account or password hash is being checked.

I do like that list and thank you for the explanation.

I still worry about how an ad company is going to approach this. Each of these advancements could be used to put ads in more places.

This kind of attitude is really disrespectful of decades of progress in cryptography. Without even considering homomorphic encryption, classic encryption is specifically designed to make intermediate nodes such as ISP dumb pipes that do not know the contents of communication. The ISP can store your communications on their server however they want.

If you don’t agree with this model, I’m afraid modern cryptography doesn’t have anything to offer.

Even if your files are properly encrypted, if you keep them on, say, Google Drive, then you might lose access to them if your account gets inadvertently blocked.

I think GP is trying to say something along those lines. Not that encryption isn't trustworthy, but that even with homomorphic encryption you still give up autonomy.

That’s not a problem solvable by cryptography. Your ISP can’t read your traffic, but can cut off your traffic. You can use end-to-end encryption to encrypt your files to upload to Google Drive, but Google can choose to delete your files.

FHE is not always for using somebody else's server; but for sure you do not share keys with that somebody else.

Besides, FHE is not always about using somebody else's server. At Belfort, in addition to FHE acceleration, we also explore such uses cases; https://belfortlabs.com/blog/encrypted-fraud-detection-with-... https://belfortlabs.com/blog/belfort-partners-with-lg-on-enc...

It's FHE for "cryptographically-secure private AI inference" not for every other service where they snoop into your behavioral information.

Unless all of your money is under your mattress, you're already making such decisions with a far more valuable asset.

It can give you confidentiality without availability. Not sure about integrity? Anyways, still useful.

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