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It's crazy dude, whenever we put up a job ad it's filled with thousands of LLM generated fake candidates in a few days.

Looking at the examples they show here it is making more sense. Also where all the "content" on LinkedIn comes from.

Only way I was able to get a job recently was via one of a few recruitment firms I was working with. Presumably this will become more common. Basically vendors "selling" actual real humans they vetted.

Would you be comfortable sharing some of the recruitment firms that you worked with? I'm a Real Live Human gearing up to reenter the job market, and I've been getting pitches for these via email and LinkedIn but my difficulty has been in knowing which of THOSE are Real Live Humans and not just vivecoded bots spamming employers with my resume on my behalf (which feels ineffective, but also more importantly, like an unprofessional faux pas that I'd rather not be associated with)

A job faire might serve you well!

Will we have any way to know if a submission was done by a human or a bot?

We are doing AI screening. Candidate works with AI for 15 minutes and session is recorded. We review real output not AI generated resume. If candidate can get AI to apply and produce meaningful output then maybe we should hire that candidate. Currently outputs are manually reviewed but easy enought to have AI screen outputs.

The inundation of AI applications is shitty, but I think this side of the coin—AI interviewer—is even worse. This is degrading for a human applicant, and after the very immediate term it’s probably not going to be very useful. Instead of grinding leetcode, people are going to be grinding the AI interview, which is depressing to even consider. Not only that, but there’s also going to be an arms race of AI tools that can ace the AI interview for you.

Where do you work?

Mostly so that I can know to never apply, because that application process sounds awful and degrading.

If I am applying for a job, I invest my (valuable) time in them. I expect my counterpart to return that favour.

Anything else would be a quick bail for me, and I expect over time anyone who hires in disrespectful ways will get the candidates they deserve.

I hope you're aware that you'll lose a lot of top talent that way who won't put up with that.

I use AI for practically everything but I never outsource judgement calls to it, wish you luck, I’d love to see the postmortem.

This sucks man.

Everything is becoming wildly inefficient, all in the name of improved efficiency.

I think that's just the phase 1? Once we have all the use cases figured out, optimizations gradually follow?

We're living the uranium glass moment. It's going to change, of course.

Your comment reminds me of the move to packet-switched and routed networks, which were much more complicated than connecting wires end to end. And yet…

The only way that argument makes sense is when inverted. Packet switched networks did not compete with loose wires hand placed by polite women. They competed with circuit switched networks which emulated that network architecture.

And packet switched network equipment were much, much, much more simple than their time divisioned counterparts. On the same budget you could run an order of magnitude fatter pipes using ethernet switches rather than ATM switches. That's also why they won.

Simpler and cheaper architecture end-to-end means the same budget can be spent more wisely. That's usually what wins in an open market.

And everybody in the chain can even justify their improved efficiency! It‘s capitalism endgoal. A massive Goldberg machine, where each piece can be optimized, but overall does produce close to no value compared to its cost and effort

I have a hard time looking at the world around me and thinking "close to no value"

Besides technological progress which has nothing to do with this effect and would have happened anyway, what's the value that we didn't have 30 years ago?

It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all. No value in something like that! Don’t tell me it’s inaccurate, I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic , which of course you couldn’t and even if you did, you would most likely not want to since you would get a lot of “you don’t actually want that, you want this unrelated thing, trust me I am better than you”. Just remember StackOverflow (depending on how young you are perhaps you never even heard of that given how much AI has eclipsed it)!

>It’s so incredible to me that now we have a chat interface we can ask about anything in any language and get really great answers, something literally considered science fiction a few years ago, and people still act like that is no big deal at all.

Because the importance of this is all about perspective. It wasn't like these systems created this information out of thin air. They were trained on something. That means the answers they are giving you have been available for decades. You just needed the know-how to find that information and synthesize the answers yourself. To many of us, it's like going from the old physical card catalogs to a modern digital system that would have seemed like sci-fi to a prior generation too. It's definitely more efficient and easier to use, but people acting like it's revolutionary seem to be suggesting that the old system didn't exist or wasn't usable with a little effort.

> You just needed the know-how to find that information and synthesize the answers yourself.

So easy , right?? No one needs a machine that can do that automatically over huge amounts of data and that can clearly communicate results in a way the user can clearly understand in their preferred language!

> I strongly believe it’s way more accurate than if you could ask an expert in each topic

You can believe anything you want. I can also believe that the only thing that has gone up in the last 30 years is billionaires' worth, and amount of idiots saying things they don't know anything about.

I strongly believe this. Don't tell me it's inaccurate.

At least you acknowledge you believe in absurdities. My belief is not absurd , it’s what I have seen myself in the last year or so.

It gives wrong answers.

I’m talking specifically about the AI industry

Well, how does it compare to the internet industry?

Let me know, I personally don’t see meaningful comparisons to make between the 2

The meaningful comparison is that technologies are not industries. What even is the internet industry? There was a brief time in the 1990’s when that was a thing, just like AI will be subsumed as a technology in actual industries in the next decade.

This is no one's end goal. It's just the market being irrational longer than sane people can stay solvent.

It's greed at the top pushing the market into insanity. "AI" vendors are dangling the carrot of "eliminate manpower" in front of the manpower-owning class and they are throwing everything they have at it. The wealth that's been thrown into this hole could have payed for a couple million work-years of developers.

Insanity in the market is drawing in profit-seekers. "Greed at the top pushing the market into insanity" isn't really something that can happen: greedy folks are adept at leveraging incentive structures that have already emerged, but very bad at trying to purposefully shift macro-level incentives at a grand scale (which is something that humans in general are quite bad at).

There are, what, about 50 million developers worldwide?

So instead of AI that pretty much everyone can use, we could have had 3 or 4 weeks of business as usual?

If AGI is the next evolutionary goal, its the difference between being stuck and not.

Wealth is also only relevant in a capitalistic system, which we invented. It could easily be that all other species never created capitalism and are therefore waiting for us somewere which we will not reach because we are stuck on 'wealth'.

And if we are stuck in a local minimum, it might seem that GPT-2 broke us out of there.

Or LLMs will end up being the local optimum we organize society around and sacrifice everything to, and end up not being the child dream of infinite wealth and benefits the AI boosters believe in. laissez-faire capitalism tends to result in power concentration and the creation of a distinct class of hyper-wealthy and powerful individuals with close to infinite power to dictate the future. That’s pretty much the situation we are in.

If the current AI bet turns out to not be the next revolution, what’s the plan? What will be the pivot? What happens to all the capex and commitments, the reputation of all the people who promised that was the journey to the holly land? The answer is that there is no plan, AI has to work to justify the system itself. It’s almost a natural result of the economical and ideological system we conceived.

It’s really not that different from blockchains, though at least LLMs have some actual use cases. But there is a complete disconnect between the actual ROI and the vision sold by the AI folks

The key is machine learning.

All this massive massive massive compute can be used for different types of machine learning. Nuclear Fusion physics simulation, neural networks for every other use case etc.

I'm not sure if we needed AI/ML for breaking the memory wall.

But yeah we will see how the society will respond to more and more and more automatisation.

ML/AI/Robotics is for sure the next automatisation revolution.

LLM is really an anti human technology. The incentives that creates are terrible for society

Counter point:

Companies have made their pages as hard as possible to access with automated tools.

People move to agents, if your site is "invisible" to agentic users (no API, no MCP) people won't find it.

Companies start opening up APIs - which lets non-agent users like us create tooling on top of it _without_ agents.

Not that useful when large swathes of the population are unemployed, which is where this is all aiming.

The reverse is happening in many places: since agents don't view ads or pay, and do steal content, there's a huge demand to block them. Cloudflare now offer this as a service.

Do you have even an example of this (one should ask for measurable data openness) or are you just making stuff up? Everything around has/is becoming more closed and I have one example: Reddit. It is not impossible to read without an account (account-walled).

I have a friend who works in B2B eCommerce specifically with some projects in D2C and they're saying that SEO is mostly a dead end now. It's all about Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) or Generative Engine Optimization (GEO).

So if someone is looking for a 18V cordless drill for drilling into concrete, they'll most likely ask an agent. If your site has bad AEO/GEO, the product pages are either impossible to read by an agent or the data is badly formatted -> the agent won't recommend your product, resulting in a lost sale.

Like SEO gave us OpenGraph and similar common tools to provide data in a machine readable form, AEO/GEO will force data to be readable by agents.

Some sites like Consumer Reports block all crawlers, so we'll see how that goes for them.

I don't know which part of the world you are in, but in the one I am in, commerce websites are hostile to proper SEO and even crawlers. (ie: Shoppy and Lazada, there is literally a market to buy their and it's very expensive for search).

I hope some relative of yours gets saved and cured by a disease that LLMs cured and that will change your mind forever

Let's start with LLMs curing diseases first, whatever that means.

Does AlphaFold since 2018 (from Google, and now as the Google spin-off Isomorphic Labs under Demis Hassabis) count?

https://deepmind.google/science/alphafold/

What troubles you in the meaning?

Here we have it, people: the Most Normal AI fan.

Capitalism is, not LLMs.

The current istuation could be seen as just the next real frontier technology of the human race.

the problem is capitalism. Instead of leverigng it as a tool, we talk about job loss and restructuring etc. which affects real humans.

In a non capitalistic system, it might just not affect real humans negativly at all only positive

Most every country uses a combination of capitalism and non-capitalism, including the US. The closest to a non-capitalist country would be North Korea.

> In a non capitalistic system, it might just not affect real humans negativly at all only positive

Is there a country where a 'non capitalistic system' has been tried now or in the past that you're thinking of?

> If your business is selling tokens, it'd be extremely lucrative for you if the whole society relies on tokens to perform basic operations. That's where we're heading to.

I'm sure mainframe time-share providers in the '60s and '70s were salivating at the possibility of computers mediating most business tasks, too, completely unaware of the microcomputer revolution that was about to happen.

Very much this - we are firmly at the centralised stage - when I have truly local AI running on my devices, my cost will be the energy they use - if I use open source models. I follow a guy on instagram who is doing this today, with old mobile phones and Raspberry Pi - for now I'll stick to my free Perplexity account, but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day.

> but looking forward to being self-sufficient one day.

I don't know how much experimentation you're doing with local AI, but that day may be sooner than you think. The ecosystem is evolving extremely rapidly.

I'm only on the edges to be honest and watching others - I'm not as technical as I once was, and I don't have the time I'd like to invest in this right now - too many competing hobbies.

Looking forward to the day this becomes very very easy for the likes of me.

But we do live in this era, no? What is cloud compute other than a time share?

Someone in the early '80s could have also said "we do live in this era" in response to someone pointing at an Apple II or original IBM PC and seeing it as something that would ultimately upend the mainframe market entirely.

In fact, we're already further along than that in terms of local AI. I'm currently able to get usable results at 8-10 tokens/sec using open-weight models on my laptop's integrated GPU, running on battery power. A $4,000 DGX Spark (less than what an IBM PC cost at launch in inflation-adjusted dollars) can get 3-5 times the inferencing performance with models 3-5x larger.

I don't disagree, but what a godawful prospect.

Anti-DDoS Cloudflare for inbound emails and WhatsApp messages?

You know you can already press charges against spammers right?

In which jurisdiction? They're usually hard to trace in the first place, let alone get the attention of actual police.

Most jurisdictions register every phone number to an ID.

The problem: too much AI The solution: more AI!

Every company was already using AI filtering last year. They were using it last decade, too, but that was a Bayesian filter instead of an LLM.

I get a higher response rate when I include white text on my résumé.

We will soon be in a world where human to human communication is the only one that has value. Mark my words

I'd mark them face-to-face, but here? Maybe I'm talking to a bot. Or maybe you'll be, if you reply.

That was always true. We'll just know the difference better.

Actual value yes. But everything with financial value will be LLM to LLM.

MCP servers everywhere rather. You automate your life with a bot, the bot interacts with the world through MCP servers (or their successor). The MCP servers themselves may have been implemented by bots but AI to AI is unnecessary wasteful.

High cost of doing business is what makes societies stagnate.

We've seen that over and over again throughout history, and we will see it again it we continue too far on this road.

Like payment networks? I dunno, this just seems like commerce to me. If the inference doesn't return value it won't be used

Have you heard why deer evolved such big antlers?

Plenty of examples of useless things getting used.

It's already a bot eats bot world.

AI Loopidity in other words