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> My initial thought was to sign up for ChatGPT, but I had $20 in OpenRouter so I've been trying out DeepSeek V4 Pro with Pi for the last few days and I gotta say, it's good enough for my use case

If you prefer subscriptions, OpenCode Go ($10/mo), Cline Pass ($10/mo), Atlas Code ($20/mo), and CommandCode ($1/mo) serve some of the best open weights with generous limits. OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on DeepSeek Flash v4 (if you're okay with data retention).

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Just trying to understand, https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#privacy currently says DeepSeek V4 Flash has 0 days data retention.

> DeepSeek V4 Flash: ZDR agreement is renewed monthly. The current agreement is valid through August 31, 2026.

Is there other info I should be aware of w.r.t data retention with opencode go? It's hosted in China, so other middlemen may be active (I doubt it, but possible)?

If it's hosted in China, they can tell you whatever you want to hear and do whatever they want to do.

What are you going to do? Take a CCP company in front of a CCP judge?

You probably could sue them if they really did store your information without your consent.

It would be a hassle, but China does have privacy laws. Companies do get sued for violating them.[0]

0. https://www.chinajusticeobserver.com/a/china%E2%80%99s-top-c...

China has laws that serve the state, not the individual. They are there for the party to use to prosecute. So you could file, but considering the state is the one responsible for holding the data, and the one that controls the courts, it's not going to go anywhere.

Remember China is still an authoritarian dictatorship. One leader with absolute power for life. Don't let the facade misguide you.

The case mentioned in the article I linked to involved a private citizen suing a tech company, based on China's GDPR-like laws. He won.

Sure, because the state didn't have a stake.

Trying suing when it's in the states interest, like it is to build AI datasets on western data. For reference, no case in China has ever been ruled against the government. They don't have things like judges smacking down executive orders or refunding tariffs.

They can do the same thing in the US. What are you going to do, sue OpenAI or Anthropic?

Well, yes, because the courts and the AI labs are totally separate entities.

If they are doing it to you, they are probably doing it to others, which makes an easy class action

Is any class action lawsuit "easy"?

They lawyers do all the leg work (and keep most of the money), but from the defendant POV it all looks the same.

Anthropic paid out a lot of money for the copyrighted material they used.

(not commenting on whether it was a fair amount - just saying these companies are not immune to lawsuits)

OpenCode Go does not send any inference to China unless you go into settings and manually select 'Enable models hosted in China'.

That's a recent addition I wasn't aware of. Thanks. Previously, OpenCode docs claimed they had no agreement with DeepSeek on data retention for training. Even more previously, OpenCode said they used providers based in US/EU/Singapore (which they no longer do so).

Yes. There is a big question mark about whether Anomaly itself (as the OpenCode Go middleman) retains data. The docs were completely silent on this the last time I checked.

According to this code (https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/blob/dev/packages/cons...) only Grok and Luna have 30-day retention, the rest have 0-day retention. Of their legal documents, none mention data retention for anything other than personal data. The exception is if you '/share' which explicitly gives them your session to share over the web with others.

I haven’t looked at their docs in a little while but they were very precise in saying that the providers follow a zero data retention policy. But Opencode Go proxies the requests, right? I never saw a statement in the legal docs that would limit Anomaly’s right to retain the data passing through.

> OpenCode Go currently offers $120 for $10 on DeepSeek Flash v4

At DeepSeek's absurdly low rates or market rates?

OpenCode (used to [0]?) buys inference from DeepSeek for DeepSeek models, and their $ rates reflect that: https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#usage-limits

Careful with using OpenCode's accounting for DeepSeek v4 Pro, though: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39822

[0] https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/39857

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