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"The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people are ethnically Russian, particularly in the east."

Yep. Ukraine is not a Nation state, like Germany, or Finnland, or Sweden. Like Belgium, is is deep divided. The division was reflected in each election. Literally, the east voted for one candidate, the west for the other.

I slept in a Hostel during the war in Kyiv. There ware Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians. We hung out and had drinks, no problem. And during the night Putin and Klitschko made a pissing contest in the sky...

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You see, to the Westerner things must be black and white.

Russia is evil and the West good, despite the last Iraq war having something like 10x as many innocent casualties as the Ukraine war.

Something must be different between Iraqis and Ukrainians to make the latter so much more worthy of concern.

Guess we’ll never know.

I don't think that's a fair assessment of Western perspectives.

If the USA was 6 years into a very messy conquest of Mexico because Mexico wanted to join a trade bloc with China, the West would be very disapproving of American actions.

Similarly the Iraq war is unpopular to Western citizens. Even at the time the British weren't very into it, and the Germans and French outright refused to participate.

>Mexico wanted to join a trade bloc with China,

A trade block of which the majority of it's members are in NATO.

Don't forget John Mc Cain, who never saw a war he didn't like, took a personal visit to Ukraine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-uk...

Do you think he came to hand out cupcakes ?

>the British weren't very into it,

Was that a valid defense at Nuremberg?

Joining NATO is obviously the correct choice for countries like Ukraine, as evidenced by Russia's ongoing actions towards them.

Perhaps if Mexico had a long history of being invaded, divided up, and "Americanized," they would be part of a Military Alliance against American Aggression. As they should.

The German people weren't on trial at Nuremberg.

The US has a very long history of invading and interfering in almost every Latin American country.

It’s hard to keep count, but we just kidnapped the sovereign head of state of Venezuela.

Depending on who you asked we did so to stop a potential foreign military base from being located in Venezuela.

Or we just felt like stealing Venezuelan oil.

Cuba is still embargoed.

The Iraq war had various war crimes. But for some reason no convicted war criminals.

Yeah and? Like I said, if Mexico had the reasons for it, they should join an alliance to guard against USA aggression.

And then if the USA said "we gotta invade Mexico because we're threatened by the alliance they set up to counter OUR aggression," that would be a bit hypocritical I think!

I'm not defending the US, you're preoccupied with attacking them. Ukraine has every right to join NATO because Russia is a threat to them, not because of the US.

True before the war. Putin did manage to make Ukraine united.

The clear majority of Russian speaking Ukrainians support Zelenskyy now.

This must have happened in the last year since I was there in 2024 and this was definately not the case!

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