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I’m not one to defend huge companies, but OpenAI is a huge company.

It’s possible this kind of behavior is endorsed throughout, or it’s possible it’s limited to this specific group.

We know nothing beyond what Apple has alleged.

I’ve been at companies where just one group - or even just one person - did something unconscionable and kept getting away with it until the story hit the headlines. And I can tell you, it was never just an isolated incident involving just that group. It’s also all the people who knew something was up and didn’t say anything. And it’s the corporate leadership fostering a pervasive culture of turning a blind eye to ethical problems. Often by allowing people in power to ensure that sounding the alarm is a career-limiting move.

It very well could be a culture issue.

If it is, would you extend your opinion to say Apple turns a blind eye to ethical issues as well?

All of the employees divulging secrets came from Apple after all. The person named in the lawsuit was a 24 year Apple veteran and a VP at departure.

It sounds more like they were kept in check at Apple and when they left they showed their true color

VP is a leadership position, and has significant influence over the culture

Pointing out it cuts both ways doesn’t imply that it doesn’t cut one of the ways.

> It’s possible this kind of behavior is endorsed throughout

> It very well could be a culture issue

I agree

You think the group tasked with developing whatever hardware device they're trying to build is isolated away from senior leadership and is running rogue?

Why not? It may be the old plausable denable thing. Like so many examples. Pressure from the top but no instruction to do $badthing.

I think it would be hard to argue Sam didn't know anything about it after the Jony Ive + Sam Altman love videos about their hardware project

We need to take a peek at their diaries again

> It’s possible this kind of behavior is endorsed throughout, or it’s possible it’s limited to this specific group.

As others have pointed out elsewhere this is literally the type of behavior OpenAI is founded on. Gathering up other people's IP and using it to build their own thing. It's how all the big LLMs are built.

Not being able to prove is one thing, pretending it may not be the case is next level of positivity. There are definitely going to be pockets of hard working smart folks in every place, however the company as a whole would get a bad name even if few folks are indulged and the company is not doing anything about it.

Do you know who the CEO is?

Same thought I had, I realized I was zero percent surprised reading the claims made, it feels like a perfect representation of the personality Sam Altman shows the world.

Are you joking or are you confusing huge valuations with huge headcount?

OpenAI had >5000 employees last year. How many work in the hardware group?

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