Hacker News Reader

Comment by gadders | Hacker News Reader

[flagged]

> i.e. anyone not the far left is an extremist

He literally involved himself with Tommy Robinson and Reform UK [1], as well as supported German AfD [2]. It doesn't get more far-right than that - the AfD is so far-right that even other European far-right parties such as France's RN distance themselves.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70ep8lp4jjo

[2] https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bundestagswahl/parteien/mus...

Dude, no they're not.

Tommy Robinson is a grifter, but Reform has a pretty good chance of winning the next UK general election

People are realising the current omni-party centrist/centre-left politics and economics have failed utterly.

This is moving the goalposts from "Elon supports far-right politicians" which was cited with sources, you're just going "well he's right to"

No, I'm saying they're not far right. It's a pejorative term made up by the left to try and shift the overton window away from conservatism.

They're about as "far right" as the 80's Thatcher government.

> It's a pejorative term made up by the left to try and shift the overton window away from conservatism.

When and by whom?

> They're about as "far right" as the 80's Thatcher government.

Would you describe Thatcher passing Section 28 (which criminalized "promotion of homosexuality") as plain "conservatism" or is "far right" an appropriate descriptor in that case?

I think it was conservatism of its time. You can ret-con it with 2026 morality and say it was wrong, but then it was the Conservative austerity government that legalised gay marriage.

If you don't want to concede "far right" as a term for conservatives who are fine with suppression of speech on LGBT issues - aren't you lumping everyone outside the far left together with extremists?

Elon did the salute and the AfD has it on their ads

More importantly, he obviously intended it to be the Nazi Salute, instead of the usual random movement screengrabs of other people "assumingly" doing the salute.

> Reform has a pretty good chance of winning the next UK general election

This does not change the fact that Reform is a far-right party (and, like almost all far-right parties in the Western nations, one that has been linked to Russian corruption [1]).

> People are realising the current omni-party centrist/centre-left politics and economics have failed utterly.

Lol as if far-right politics are any better. Milei is running Argentinia into the ground, so is Bukele with El Salvador, and so is Trump in the US.

The only ones who are somewhat of an exception is Italy with Meloni, who managed to dance on the very thin line separating far-right ideology from inevitable disaster.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj6xwy015ngo

"Far Right" in the sense of "The Guardian says so". And one bloke getting arrested doesn't prove the whole party is Russia-funded, despite that being the catch-all left wing excuse every time they lose an election.

People in El Salvador generally seem pretty happy with a 98% reduction in the murder rate. For Argentina, it's too early to tell. We'll have to wait until the shock therapy has finished.

At least they made the trains run on time! /s

I'm genuinely flabbergasted to read this here.

There's no possible comparison between Musk and Mamdani's gestures, at least from the perspective of someone who grew up in a region occupied by the Nazis during the war and had him grand parents deported.

Regarding EU politician support, it's really not what you describe. The politicians he's been supporting are the ones in the rightmost spectrum of the political chessboard in each case I've witnessed. There isn't a car I've witnessed where he supported someone center right, or left.

These false equivalences are dangerous.

The comparison between the gestures is that neither are intended to be a literal Nazi salute and anyone who genuinely thinks either of them was has an IQ issue.

And obviously he's supporting right wing causes, because they are the ones he agrees with. Reid Hoffman only supports left wing causes.

Absolutely inane take. It doesn’t matter if Elon intended the nazi salute he did twice to actually be a nazi salute, he still did it.

So even if you don't support nazis, just putting your arm at that angle magically turns you in to one? Is this like a spell from Harry Potter or something? Can anyone accidentally do a nazi salute?

you think he just "put his arm at that angle" accidentally? like it was a spell?

The OP seems to think that putting your arm at that angle turns you into a nazi. I think he's been watching Father Ted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLNMSTQnSyk

Still up in the air if Elon actually supports Nazi's or not. He definitely supports the AfD in germany and his grandparents benefited from Apartheid and have expressed antisemetic, antidemocratic, and racist views.

It's on Elon to prove otherwise, not his bootlickers on the internet.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com