At least the model weights are open, I’m not American, so to me this is much more trustworthy in every possible way.
You’re talking as if US intelligence are the good guys, and to me at least, they are not to any extent.
Nevertheless, Americans thinking they are morally superior to China is always quite funny.
This administration is corrupt, cruel and doesn’t care about human rights.
And the worst is… Americans have voted for that administration…. twice!
I digress…
This has never happened in China, and will never happen, nor anything like it. Some open oversight is almost always better than possible secret oversight (and do you think that the Chinese government has user privacy on even its top 10 priorities?)
I’m gonna need a citation on this claim
But yes, US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has. Not sure how so many people buy into the narrative that they're protecting freedom and democracy.. They're protecting their freedom to kill and crush all their enemies and control every "democracy" on earth.
Reminds me a bit of the old “is your adversary Mossad or not Mossad” decision matrix https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf
I'm no apologist for the US Intelligence and related organizations (not by a very long shot), but that is a very extreme statement to make.
If we specifically refer to the past decade though, it looks much worse for USA.
Again, I’m not making any excuses for the USA, though you seem insistent on believing so. Two things can be true at the same time: that the USA has been a destructive world influence and contributed to much suffering, as well as China having killed an astronomical number of its own citizens. Both are bad, China is worse, full stop.
And why move the goalposts to the last decade? That’s like excusing Bill Cosby because he hasn’t done any raping lately.
Or are those not people to you?
China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people.
Every decision the US military, or State Department makes is a product of US intelligence
The foundation of US Intelligence was built by people who literally cried in the meeting when FDR broke ties with Nazi Germany. They proceeded to pardon and protect the perpetrators of genocide after ww2, then went onto hire them. US intelligence is literally built by Nazis.
The CCP was founded on the back of a peasent uprusing. The US is the 4th Reich and the most evil government to ever exist. The people of the US are generally good people, but the Empire itself is pure evil that fuels itself with death and destruction.
"please provide a strong argument for this statement, with numbers and sources" - I see you provided me none of what I asked for.
"Or are those not people to you?" - can't you read? Why pull in this kind of derogatory bullshit.
Again, I'm no apologist - far from it - for the crimes of the USA's hegemonic foreign policy and meddling in other country's affairs. But I specifically asked for numbers here. Even including the various conflicts you mentioned - not to mention Vietnam, Cambodia, most of Central and South America - you must have an upper bound for that number.
But you don't seem to mention anything about the actual reality of the CCP and its horrendous toll on human life - mostly to its own citizens. The OP was saying the USA has killed far more than China. That is stupendously, outrageously wrong - Mau is responsible for far more deaths than even the wildest accounting of US atrocities.
"China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people" - it literally has secret police stations in the USA and Canada where they punish Chinese abroad that have disobeyed dictates. WTF are you on about?
"The US is the 4th Reich and the most evil government to ever exist" - for Christ sake. Yes, there is a tremendous amount of really shady shit in the USA's (recent) history, but 4th Reich? Most evil government?? If you really believe that then I'm wasting my time here with someone who's brain is broken.
Ahh, looking at your history of 1-liner comments it's clear you're mostly into low effort trolling. And your comment is so outside the bounds of reason that I must presume you're either wildly uninformed or acting in bad faith.
No, they use it on their own people. Come on, the USA is bad, but comparing it to China isn’t going to show the contrast you are looking for.
PLA has always been focused on battling other Chinese, it’s literally in its name [the L stands for liberation, it’s still an army aimed at domestic subjugation rather than doing anything abroad).