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you're not a customer of any of their products at all already? not a single apple device in your household?

I didn't have a single Apple device in my house until a month ago when I bought a Neo. The last Apple devices I had before that were an iPod Nano and a PowerMac G5 many many years ago.

Apple has pretty good competition in every segment with the exception of maybe the iPad, but I'm not a tablet user.

Some folks like to have a computing environment free of proprietary influences and extremely strong vendor lock-in. I cannot claim to posses any apple devices.

How does the Mac have extremely strong vendor lock-in?

Sure, you can use the App Store and use all the stuff that integrates with iPhone, iCloud, etc

But you can also just treat it as Linux for Laptops (that actually works), and roll with all the standard open source tools.

I don't disagree with you, but technically speaking MacOS is still proprietary and Asahi is not compatible with the latest and greatest Apple devices.

While they don't _prevent_ Asahi from doing what they're doing, they certainly don't go out of their way to make it easy for them.

I wasn't thinking of Asahi. Just pointing out that you can run all the standard unix/open source tools and apps on Mac OS (vi, git, qgis, blender, vsc, python, node, etc). With the advantage of higher quality hardware and generally less fiddling.

But if you don't like it, switch. I don't see vendor lock-in.

A lot of convenient things come with the lock-in if you have >1 device

Notes sync, Copy/Paste would be hard to give up and took zero effort

I don't now how the MacOS equivalent compares, but Linux/Windows has KDE Connect that I use for that https://kdeconnect.kde.org/

Apple is also iOS

Correct. Been using Linux and Android for over ten years. My household had no Apple devices until I got married.

No, I've never owned an Apple device in my life, neither has anyone in my family to my knowledge.

None. And I have a PC, a personal laptop, a work laptop, my current and my previous Android phone.

What a bizarre bubble you live in to even be asking this question... I've never owned a single apple product, and never will.

And in the rare occasions in which I have to use someone's MacBook, I'm completely lost - like some elderly person.

there a many people who don't own Apple. Why are you so surprised? I certainly don't and never will. What's it got that I can't get on a standard PC + Linux?

Not. A. Single. One.

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