"Many countries"? Do you have any evidence for this statement?
I think that actually the US is an outlier.
I think that actually the US is an outlier.
[https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/11208589]
“The census was conducted in a period of successive wars and rapid territorial expansion. We focus on the handling of the census data for Macedonia, a newly annexed territory that would soon become the site of the first instance of large-scale ethnic cleansing in modern Europe.”
I'm not arguing that you don't a valid point - broadly speaking. You do.
But you made a very specific claim, and that was what was being questioned. That's all.
Or do you think that is actually not happening right now?
You were asked to back up this claim but haven't cited an example of any country currently "using census data" to "round up and murder" people.
Is China currently using census data to do horrible things? Are other countries? Maybe. I have no idea. I wouldn't be all that surprised TBH. You may be correct for all I know.
But that's not the point... The point is that you made a very specific claim and you still haven't provided any specific examples or evidence.
What’s the point?
France also sent people to the Germans during the occupation, and there was very little info needed. The gov wasn't caring much about due process or lengthy and accurate investigations anyway.
Is it easier and more convenient to round up people when you have a literal list of people, along with the attributes that someone might want to round them up based on? Of course.
Is it still possible to do it without said list? Yes, of course. It is just harder.
And more likely some or many will be missed, if those attributes aren’t super obvious and impossible to change.
So why make it easier?
The question becomes if it mattered whether the people sent in were actually Jewish or depraved or whatever motive was invoked. To me it doesn't matter, it is was horrible either way.
We can see a similar thing happening with ICE raids: do they have clean and tidy lists? No, they're supposed to know what they're doing, but in practice they're just going after anything they want, anyone that crosses their path, and they don't stop at any specific criteria. We had testimony of arrest quotas, and random people shoved in to clear the numbers.
There will always be a convenient target when the point is cruelty.
[edit: rephrased last part]
The reason ICE is flailing around is because the information we are talking about doesn’t exist. They’re changing data gathering to collect it.
That is literally the point.
I'd argue that raiding the data center is theatrical more than anything, and they're not flailing by lack of data, hundreds of arrest have been made at each major raids.
I'd look at this piece with both aspects: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/23/maine-immigr...
On the surface there is this talk about immigration status..We try to draw a somewhat reasonable narrative that makes sense, and I get the sentiment.
The witness comments consistently tell another story though:
> “The book and the movie do not line up,” Joyce told reporters on Thursday. “We’re being told one story, which is totally different than what’s occurring.”
> “It is clear the overall operation is anything but targeted,” said Sue Roche, ILAP’s executive director. “People are being racially profiled on the streets and in their cars. As is their playbook, ICE is doing everything they can to inflict maximum cruelty and chaos.”
They want to ‘fix’ this, by now gathering the fine grained data, and storing it.
See the problem?
Do you want them to be more effective with their terror tactics?
What you call "running around in total chaos" is exactly what the organization was built for, its actions follow its structure and the only improvement they'd benefit for is more people more guns and less scrutiny.
"The Nazis used a data source to implement an extermination program" is not a statement which proves that your problem was the existence of a data source.
It’s basically cheating.