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I'm a European, the EU is supposed to be one of the closest allies of the US.

The US government found a jailbreak that allowed the user to make Fable do bad things, this is so dangerous that this model must be held back in areas that are not the US...

If this is so dangerous why allow US nationals access to it? Are there no evil people in the US?

Going back to my perspective: let's say I control a big enterprise or a government body, how should I view this or US technology? Should I be like: yes, let's use US tech, they are a reliable partner and would never abruptly cut us off! Or should I be like: there are competent alternatives out there and if your work hinges on wether or not you had access to Fable 5, then your business is probably not going to survive for long.

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Back when Snowden leaked all of the spying information, the only thing the States cared about was whether they spied on their own citizens. The fact that they spied on the citizens of their allies, including yes, the EU, barely made the news.

I don't think it makes sense the assume the US considers any country its ally.

And as a corollary, no country should consider the US its ally.

I'm glad Europe is finally waking up to this reality.

Parts of Europe, most notably France, has been perfectly aware since... always?

But in general I agree, the other parts got a big wakeup call.

The French have been screwed over by the US military hard, so I'm fully on board with their attitude.

As the saying goes, it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal. True in the 60s, still true today.

I agree with the sentiment and dislike Kissinger, but that quote is always paraphrased and out of context.

The full quote makes it clear Kissinger was saying, in the context of the Vietnam War, that the US should come to the aid of their friends:

> "Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

From: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/56471/30861

I'm well aware of its context and original meaning, and I'm very happy to twist its meaning into something Kissinger would disagree with any chance I get.

In that case... I support you! :)

It barely made the news inside the US.

sorry that's what I meant: I remember watching their depositions or whatever they were called, and their only concern was whether or not they had spied on US citizens. Whether or not they spied on their allies, I do not recall any coverage of from their primary news outlets (or inside their depositions) at all.

The longer time passes the more it looks like Snowden was just a foreign asset doing someone else's bidding.

> the US considers any country its ally.

It shares that intelligence with the countries it was gathered from. It's been explicitly stated many times that this is an intentional work around for weak constitutional provisions on protection of citizens.

I spy on your guys. You spy on mine. We all share notes.

This isn't a "The US vs. The World" this is "The Wealthy vs. The Poor."

> I'm a European, the EU is supposed to be one of the closest allies of the US.

I’m Scandinavian. The US is an adversary; please wake up.

That's absurd and removes the meaning of the word adversary

Tell that to my nephew. He’s working as a commissioned officer on Greenland.

Threats of invasions and coercions look pretty adversarial to me.

I believe that restrictions like these: "only for US nationals present" are also to facilitate prosecution if needed

bingo

>If this is so dangerous why allow US nationals access to it? Are there no evil people in the US?

How come the EU is making a "digital sovereignty" push? Why are only EU people allowed to compete for EU services? Are there no evil people in the EU?

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