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Note that if you use AWS Bedrock then you're choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic.

It is literally 10X to 20-X cheaper to directly buy Anthropic subscriptions for your devs.

There’s a few things mixed up in this comment. But the 10-20x cheaper, I’m assuming comes from the difference between the number of tokens you can use on a $200 Claude Max subscription and the cost of those via the API. That’s neither here nor there for this topic around data retention as Fable has that on all providers.

And for the cost, if you’re an enterprise with more than 150 people, you’re on the token plan.

The token price is exactly the same on AWS as it is directly from Anthropic. This is the one service that AWS doesn't charge a huge markup for.

Yeah thats not the point though.

We 'trust' Amazon already and Amazon has no incentive at all to collect the data to finetune claude because they don't own claude.

What is the point then of a submission about how you will be required to share data with Anthropic? I’d say that the point is precisely that it’s an issue when you don’t trust them as much as Amazon.

Not sure if i follow you tbh.

I only told a commentor why a business would pay more to Amazon than going directly to Anthropic.

The announcement itself is def problematic and either leads to big companies accepting this and then going directly to anthropic or some talks in the background we don't know yet what it will entail.

If you were just repeating the commenter’s point about « choosing to pay 10X to 20X because you trust AWS more than Anthropic » what was not the point?

He states it in a way that its so unclear that companies would actually do this.

Amazon's incentive is to fine tune their own possible future model

Amazon/AWS knows how to handle this conflict in a way that customers trust them enough.

Amazon has more to loose than Anthropic

Amazon owns a large stake in Anthropic if I'm not mistaken?

Yes true but they are still two legal entities.

My company has no problems doing business with Amazon but doesn't buy from Anthropic directly.

It also has no risk that the data goes into the wrong hands if a competitor would buy Anthropic or if Anthropic becomes worthless and someone else buys the data.

The security boundary that AWS maintains is important in a lot areas, like medical, where the datacenter has to support some specific certifications. It isn’t a choice to pay 10x more in those cases, it is the only option allowed.

Pro/max subs are not as flexible as bedrock in api use and don’t seem to run the same models either - often times they are notably dumber (quantized I guess) than bedrock equivalent.

Huh, I felt the inverse.

I can't use "Claude Max" subscription and the likes with my own software, can I? Using OpenCode instead of ClaudeCode violates the ToS, doesn't it? How would I go about permissions and integrating with my other services I already run on AWS? IAM roles for Bedrock are pretty nice. You appear very confident and concerned about my spending, so please help me here!

I grant you the right to spend 10X to 20X on Bedrock. Use it wisely.

is the 10x the difference between a sub and api token pricing?

I mean, no. Even ignoring the very real benefit (for some) that comes with not needing to trust another party, there are use-cases beyond what you can do with “subscriptions”. Apples and oranges. People just have use cases that aren’t yours.

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