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Comment by skeledrew | Hacker News Reader

So going forward expect US models to respond only in ways considered appropriate by the administration. If people thought models were producing slop before... lol.

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Yea the details here really matter - is this truly a politically neutral security review to determine impact and potentially prepare for it - that seems alright.

is this a review of "wokeness" in models and rejecting them if they don't align with the party views - this should not be allowed.

A politically neutral committee that decides what the review entails is what would happen in a true democracy and not a puppet oligarchy like we have today.

All neutrality has been aggressively neutered in every agency, or the target agency dismantled, in the last few months. An agency either supports the administrations political decisions wholly, or... well there's no "or" because an agency that doesn't won't remain an agency for very long.

No... executive orders are not laws, they can only command the federal government, not individuals or corporations. Meaning this is mostly pointless unless you're using models hosted by the government.

Models hosted or used by the government.

You left out the part containing the “barrels of money” incentive.

Who is going to stop the federal government from enforcing them as if they were laws?

The judicidial branch, so the courts. The government would have to sue the corporation to try to get them to do something, at which point (hopefully) the judge would strike it down.

What courts? Look at all that's been happening over the past months. How much of it have the courts been able to meaningfully impact, vs what's still in effect?

> How much of it have the courts been able to meaningfully impact

A lot more than you think, apparently

https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal...

We've been talking about the Supreme Court, which is widely considered a laughingstock by lower courts except they are not laughing.

Executive orders aren’t laws (an important fact that should be repeated often and loudly). However, there’s probably room for the executive branch of the government to influence model hosts, as a major funder and consumer.

This will be an important thing to check going forward, but I don't see why we would presume that they're going to be subverted in this way. Importantly, this is a completely different problem space from "slop" as such - there's plenty of Chinese models that implement their censorship almost entirely through guardrails on what topics they're willing to discuss.

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