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To be honest, I didn't find DuckDuckGo's AI on the top of their search to be very good anyway compared to the one Google has. However can't say I have cared much as typically if I am searching I don't want an AI response, otherwise I'd just go straight to an AI chat interface in the first place.

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The Google one is personalized to use language and sources that you'd prefer. They're building an individual response for each person that is most suited to trick that person into clicking on their ads. For some people they dont care, but I myself dont want a digital clone of me tricking me into buying things.

Salesman have for a long time teaching new salesman to use NLP tricks like matching and mirroring to convince people you're relatable and trustworthy. Google is doing this with all the data they have on you.

Yeah for sure. When I was using Kagi for example, I had to be far more specific especially if I am looking for things that are more local such as local businesses. I personally don't mind having to do this and I knew when signing up for something like Kagi that it wasn't going to be able to use information it has tracked about me to give me these kinds of "better" search results. So at the end of the day there is a trade-off that has to be made for privacy. Sometimes I do throw the `!g` bang in there if I want to be redirected to Google in order to get those more localized/personal results and knowing I am trading off some privacy.

Biggest problem is that google has a near exclusive deal with reddit, so all other search engines have old reddit results [1].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41057033

Yeah that does make sense, though I have found the DDG AI to give me some pretty misleading, incorrect, or just completely off answers which prompted me to throw the !g on the search to see what the Google AI would have given. I'm sure this is overall because of there being more training data, however I do think that is a good reason to simply not bother with the DDG AI. If the AI is going to provide mediocre or wrong answers a lot, then it seems better to just not have it.

Unfortunately I have seen far too many people, especially less tech savvy ones rely pretty heavily on the AI summaries provided by the search engines. And I think it can be a bit dangerous to have these results be super unreliable in what they state. The Google one also isn't perfect, but I've at least found it's a bit more accurate. However I personally don't really care for either. As I mentioned in my OP if I already made the choice to use a search engine, it's likely because I don't care for an AI response as I could open up Claude/ChatGPT or whatever's interface and ask the question there if I just wanted AI.

I misunderstood the context. I have all the AI features turned off in DDG. I don't use search engine AI because none of them can afford a model that's worth using, due to scale. I only use paid AI services (including my on-and-off subscriptions to perplexity.ai).

To turn off AI features of DDG, top right pancake icon -> settings -> AI features -> off

The older the better imo, seems like a useful feature. If I come across a thread from 10-15 years ago, sure it might still be a bot, but to me it's less likely to be dead internet and automatically higher signal

Honestly my first thought too. My Frontpage is half obviously Ai written posts these days, filtering by a couple years back would be a good thing

Yeah, most of my searches are for keywords I think/know are in the title or url or page body. When I search "thing wikipedia" I'm being lazy, but I don't want even more energy wasted by producing an "AI" summary I won't even read.

Me too. Hopefully future iterations of this service will remove or at least penalize ai generated websites, especially blogspam.

Yeah that is actually I think the biggest issue with search in general right now is that I feel like 50% or more of the search results I am getting are AI generated fake sites. Even worse is that sometimes they are malicious and pretending to be what you might be searching for. I personally would much rather companies spend money on AI tools that help filter out this kind of crap, versus investing it into AI summaries at the top of the search. Overtime the summaries are just going to end up being based on data crawled from AI generated slop sites.

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