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Took me a while to find what you were referring to by gram. Arxiv paper from 9 days ago that's not properly indexed by search engines.

(G)enerative (R)ecursive re(A)soning (M)odels. They really wanted the acronym.

https://arxiv.org/html/2605.19376v1

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I prefer GRRM but then that would imply a habit of not actually getting a final result

And then every time I ask it to hurry along it kills a Stark.

Version 8 had serious flaws and wasn't recieved well by users.

I am sorry, but there was no version 7 and 8.

Version 7 and 8 are well known viruses distributed by D&D software inc.

I'd really argue the bugs were introduced in version 5 but people were so excited by the promise of new features they sold well anyway.

Can we just say it was basically vibe coded, but with real humans in the loop?

Version 5 was when the source material dried up, and the hallucinations became more frequent and obvious.

As far as I remember there was a basic outline of major plot points and where all the major characters ended up (a prompt) and were left to fill in all the blanks.

> Can we just say it was basically vibe coded

I mean he references a "murder of ravens" several times. It's an unkindness of ravens and a murder of crows. Classic LLM mistake right up there with the emdash.

Thank you for the gold kind stranger.

Claude Opus 4.8 suggests "ReGRAM", which is less bad than GRAM.

Ouch.

As a fellow reader-in-waiting, I applaud that. GMTA :)

writing… (17 years)

That acronym is unacceptable. It's going to impede discussion and cause confusion for a long time if it doesn't die off immediately.

You think that's bad? I introduce you to LION, (evoLved sIgn mOmeNtum) [1]

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2302.06675

Now I just hear the Voltron intro riff in my head

Those flying diecast lions hurt when they hit you as a kid

Not as much as when the leg broke off and you couldn't fix it, so you glue it in place and stop playing with it rather than ever tell your parents you broke it.

Between transformers, voltron, and borderline evil siblings it’s kinda of a miracle I made it from birth to now. But, hey, here we are and I love my brother… pretty sure he still stands me too.

not bad although archived. have any info why?

We're still talking about "zero-shot prompt" when the saying "X-shotted" ["One-shotted the difficult maze"] was already a well-established thing in daily vernacular. So now you constantly have to readjust your brain because whenever you read "zero-shot prompt" your mind goes "uh.. a zero-try attempt is a paradox and cannot exist".

Zero-shot, one-shot, few-shot etc. refers to how many examples you have to give.

It comes about from machine learning algorithms that could pick up on patterns from a small number of examples. Few shot means only a handful of examples to recognize something. One shot means only a single example. And zero shot means no examples. Of course, you have to indicate what you want somehow, but in the case of an LLM that's the prompt. Once LLMs were trained for instruction following, you didn't have to give any examples, you could just give a prompt describing what you want, and that was a zero-shot.

You're explaining something to me I already know. Hence the "readjust my brain".

I'm complaining about the LLM field co-opting a term that was already used in daily vernacular. Imagine if people in the LLM field made it so that saying the LLM made a "final answer" means that it got stuck in a loop. Now, whenever someone says an LLM gave a "final answer" we have to divine if they meant it is in a loop or gave the right answer after working through a few intermittent ones by itself.

Choosing to call it "X-shot" was a dumb move. And now we're stuck with it. No two ways about it.

> a zero-try attempt is a paradox and cannot exist

Have you tried applying L'Hôpital's Rule?

Zero shotting: there wasn't even an attempt.

Minus one shotting: you have to make one attempt for there to have been no attempt, and two attempts for there to have been one attempt.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take

- Wayne Gretzky

  - altmanaltman

One shot: Taking a shot, just once.

Zero shot: Knowing you had a shot but choosing not to.

Minus one shot: Not even realizing there was a shot.

confusing indeed. I wondered "which RAM? nvram? dram? vram? dram? now what's g-ram?"

GPU RAM, clearly. At least that's where my mind went.

Pretty sure it's "GNU Is Not Unix Rapid Access Memory", actually

GPURAM is Probably Unix Rapid Access Memory

We already have VRAM for that purpose, thankfully.

  "Analysis" was right there

It's great if they also introduce KILOGRAM

Yeah, look what happened to GNU

Is this the right place to do everyone's favorite copypasta?:D

Sorry but I missed the joke, could you include me in the group? Honest question

I live to serve. For everyone's enjoyment:

https://stallman-copypasta.github.io/

GNU/Linux Copypasta

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

Exactly the kind of pedantry I enjoy

It's just an acronym. It's not gonna impede anything. Think of it as just a name - you either know what it refers to or you don't, you don't understand something from it's name, or it's acronym.

It's an acronym that matches an extremely common word, making it not easily searchable.

Like countless others. You just add a second term for context.

Random plug for Kagi, which got it for 'GRAM model llm' on the first try ;)

And to think, we could have had George RR Martins instead.

Speaking of things that never finish.

Just spell it GRRM but pronounce it “gram” if you have to reference it in spoken conversation.

Which will be pretty rare.

Grrm with a rolling r sounds better.

Pronounced like “groom” makes for a nice analogy with slimming down the model size too.

Or grim

Let's not forget about Yann LeCun's current area of research that's completely different from LLMs: Joint Embedding Predictive Architecture (JEPA)

If he gets that style to be more efficient (they're already competitive) it'll completely kill off LLMs

https://openreview.net/pdf?id=BZ5a1r-kVsf

I propose GRIM: Generative Recursive Indeterministic Impression Machine.

It is the 3rd list on Kagi when searching "gram models"

G return G

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