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> The idea that no one is making 80s or 90s style music is absurd.

The idea that only humans can make music is absurd.

> I guess she can listen to slob but maybe just look around a little instead?

The idea that AI generated = slop is absurd.

Humans create just as much, if not more slop. Look at 99% of "professional" output in creative fields. It's awful.

A human with taste steering AI tools can be better than a "classical" human with hard skills but no taste.

The old world is going to be run over:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWZYP5jn5w4

Completely. Run. Over.

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Rather than genuinely enjoying a well-made/actually entertaining AI content, people are just gonna blindly hate on anything AI-generated.

Until AI companies pay for all the content that they stole, I think that is a reasonable response.

Until humans pay for all the "content that they stole" and learned from, I think that is reasonable response.

AceStep XL is a music generation model trained on an open dataset. is the content generated with that one okay with you then?

What dataset? (Honest question! What's in it?)

I don't mind that ChatGPT and Claude were trained on my HN and Reddit comments.

I don't mind that Opus and Codex were trained on my code.

I don't mind that Seedance and Veo were trained on my YouTube videos.

I benefit from the models.

As they should. AI can't create art, because AI doesn't have a sense of expression.

You're right, there's always a human driving the AI to create art.

Good thing humans know how to use AI and make kick ass content with it.

AI is a tool.

Artists and engineers using AI as a tool can get further than people not using it at all.

Are you an artist by chance?

I think the cost pressures just make most AI generated stuff slop. Its not that AI can't make good stuff its that the slop to good ratio is 100s of times worse with AI published music than with human stuff. Simply because AI generation cost is essentially zero.

Purely a economic argument but also the rare good music from AI I am still looking its generally speaking not that cohesive and for unremarkable. A lot of human work is that to but the discovery of good music from people feels much less daunting

Was that video supposed to convince us that AI music is good?

That video isn't helping your case.

That's not to say you can't make effortful novel content using AI, but this is just lazy hollow stimulation. Like all the laziest of AMVs, nothing to say outside of "isn't this cool?".

We want to see the person underneath and what ideas they explore through the medium - AI is just a fancy new tool of the times.

Who cares what brush or canvas Vincent used to make Starry Night? Without his name on it, it's just another oil painting.

I don't have to convince the lot of you anti-tech "yelling at cloud" engineers.

Social media already shows people love this stuff. It's only the 1% of terminally online whiners that have to project their take on it.

And I've worked with enough artists that kick ass with these tools to know this is the new normal.

Hype for the tool is, and forever will be, cringy. People are too busy praising the fact that it exists that they miss what artists are doing with it. I like the fun skits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI9Rx5DqTvA and interesting projects https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1pt19u6/ti...

People on social media follow creators who make novel content irrespective of how they made it.

AI generated content will always be lower quality because the entry level is literacy, hence YouTube intervention with their "it's probably not worth your time" label.

Huh, I wonder what happens when people stop making real music for AIs to train on, then.

I did not expect that one to show up here on HN, but it's definitely a human artist using AI. He has a few others which are just as entertaining.

Run over in what way?

Like the levees surrounding a lagoon of pig shit in the South breaking and flooding the nearby community.

In that the avalance of slop will make it impossible to find quality stuff, human or AI.

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