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At the mere cost of destroying soil, and polluting water and the atmosphere in only 200 years! Possibly this will also play out well, and there is a huge market of... maybe social media influencer economy to pick up those being automated out of their previous work... or rather identity, as actually much like in the middle ages, the modern world also makes the profession largely the identity of the individual.

I'm pretty skeptical on the outcomes and the costs also (natural and social as well), but possibly we can have 50x or even more software in the end! The phrase will be truer than ever:

> Software is eating the world!

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Maybe ironically, but software and robotics should allow us to scale regenerative agriculture in a way that doesn't leave everyone in poverty. We already have lasers mounted to trailers doing precise weeding instead of broad herbicide usage.

https://www.agtechmarket.net/news/laserweeding (random web search, I don't vouch for this site, it just looks legit at a glance)

Next innovation could be to scale succession planting, which keeps the ground from being exposed in between crops and lets you transition from nitrogen fixers to users quicker, getting more food out per acre while reducing fertilizer usage. But you can't do that with current harvesters and human labor is too valuable to spend on this.

Also take broccoli harvesting, typically you get a few big heads, then it keeps producing smaller heads, but it's not economical to harvest the smaller heads with human labor. Robotic harvesting lets the same plant produce more food per acre and uses the energy needed for new plants instead to keep producing food.

Masses will be unemployed, due to robots displacing them, but human labor will also be too costly. We won't be able to afford a person shepherding, but we will need to produce "meat" (substitutes) in plants, or in inhumane animal-jail, and we'll need robot-weedkiller lasers to produce the feedstock instead of letting animals graze... and we'll give the food produced this way to people on UBI...

This is where this is going, the whole industrialism is totally self-serving, and for every problem its answer is digging deeper in the rabbit hole, and creating 2 more problems in addition to solving the initial problem only half-way.

I don't want to say what you are suggesting is not possibly useful, I just want to emphasize how stuff works out in reality, in addition to doing some nice stuff like what you called out (the halfway solution to the problems). All we get is more alienation and humans getting depressed and feeling a lack of purpose... but somehow we cannot afford to pay fair prices for the agricultural work, and pay fair prices for the food, and not overproduce and overpollute... and the same thing is happening in every aspect of the human condition, not only food production, which is the most basic and ancient activity we have been doing.

Cattle grazing is helpful for fields left fallow, but succession planting is far superior in so many other ways. You can mix plants which repel particular pests with those susceptible to them (and other beneficial strategies), topsoil is grown instead of depleted, flowers are present for wide range of season so bees naturally thrive with food always available, you don't need a significant generator of greenhouse gas running around (cows), and it gets more vegetables per acre so it would be good if vegetables were cheaper because we don't eat enough of them.

I have done succession planting in my home garden, but it's definitely not worth the time investment for the food alone. But it's real neat to see your aphid problem disappear as the nasturtiums pop up without any pesticides needed. You can even feed the world with it, if most everyone wanted to be farmers... (as opposed to some Organic practices which is the same mass farming but the pesticides are "naturally-derived")

Not all tilled land is suitable for planting, as many are drained swamps. In my home this is a huge problem, as the water circle has been distrupted so much that we are on the way to becoming a desert with climate change compounding on top the the more than a century long draining megaproject nobody is willing to undo due to short term economic interests. Fuck the next generations, I guess...

There are other grazing animals in addition to cows btw, as temperate marshland forest can be grazed by pigs, for example. Also sheep, and goat exist for example.

Vegetable production is nice, but we don't need to work all land. We don't need to produce so much food that we cannot use up meaningfully, just waste or take to places to create overpopulation there also. Reckless industrialism and capitalism are the core barriers to sustainability. (the former includes socialist planned-economical models also, we've seen our part of that also)

out of edit time: suitable for sustainable planting was what I wanted to express

Farming has been destroying soil and polluting water for thousands of years. The Tigris & Euphrates used to be crazy fertile, now it's desert. Yes, the destruction has accelerated but farms now feed 8 billion people.

We need to go faster! We need more people, and more machines, so we can go even faster!

This also leads to a kind of a singularity.

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