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this is the business model of all companies training AI, if they had to get permission we wouldn't have frontier LLMs at all

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So it's OK to do stuff without permission as long as we get something that makes a lot of people a lot of money?

*"that makes a select few rich people a lot more money?"

It's not OK, but it's a fact.

has it not always been this way?

Two things can be true. A shitty thing can prevail for a long time and still be shitty.

I think it's prevailed for all of human history in this case, so while shitty it appears to be a feature

Agreed but "it's always been shitty" isn't a reason to do nothing about it.

For much of human history slavery was fine too, but thankfully that's been dealt with in many nations. I know some folks argue that capitalism is just the next iteration of slavery but that's different.

not sure why you think stating facts implies nothing should be done about it

slavery is still fine in the US as long as you're incarcerated, and the US still does business with countries that regularly use the old fashioned kind — hell, some people still want to bring chattel slavery back here and still proudly display the confederate flag

these are just very slow things to change... in the timespan of centuries if you're lucky, but in the case of wealth bringing privilege we haven't cracked the issue for thousands of years

> if they had to get permission we wouldn't have frontier LLMs at all

Don't threaten me with a good time.

That would be a good thing TBH.

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