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Bizarre comparison.

Who is the customer for a Model S? What fancy full-size sedan would they otherwise buy?

Certainly not the person who'd buy a BMW 7er or a Mercedes S-class. Model S does not offer the basic comforts required to compete in this segment.

Perhaps the person who'd buy a BMW 5er or a Mercedes e-class? Possibly, but the Model S is still an uncomfortable, noisy and cheap feeling clunker compared to those two.

It's not like the full-size luxury sedan market is doing too bad. We've got at least:

  Audi: A8
  BMW: 7er, i7
  Mercedes: S-class, EQS
  Porsche: Panamera, Taycan (sort of)
  Rolls Royce: Phantom, Ghost
  Bentley: Flying spur

Plenty of room for Ferrari to exist, but the Model S has been offering a low-end product at relatively high prices.

> Who is the customer for a Model S? What fancy full-size sedan would they otherwise buy?

raises hand

I like EVs for their ripping fast 0-60. It's the only performance metric I can actually use. Top speed doesn't matter.

I drive a Model 3 Performance. I would have upgraded to a Model S Plaid a couple years ago, but Elon made a hard right turn politically and so I don't want to give him any more money. Also, Tesla has still been unable to fix quality consistency. My M3P has been great, but I've seen too many stories. Even people paying $100K for a Model S Plaid end up with things coming unglued or misaligned. I've seen them try to deliver a car with obvious gnarly scratches in the paint.

With the weather getting dryer in the PNW, I'm now looking for a convertible for my next car. Still looking to keep electric though, so now I'm just waiting patiently for the Porsche 718, Polestar 6, or Corvette EV convertible if they ever make one. Basically, whoever makes the first EV sports convertible for $200K or less that doesn't look ugly as sin will likely get my money.

Thank you for noticing that Tesla's are priced at premium levels, but they still don't know how to make actual quality that is present the models you listed above. I've owned several of these and driven all but the EQS and there's a huuuge gap between a 7er S-class and a Tesla. Huge.

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