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>uncontroversial, quite reasonably

Buddy, patting yourself on the back this much gives away the game

it's gov's own data and stated policies. discourse or gtfo.

i think "source or gtfo" is a fair response to this claim stated in this way

exercise to the reader. the facts in this case are not the debate, but what their consequences are. its worth addressing forum spoiling though. if you have an actual opinion, state it. but spare us the banal nihilism of people with received tactics but no intellectual capacity for conviction. it's insane to me what the civility rules enable by leaving those behaviours unchallenged.

"the facts in this case are not the debate"

Yeah I disagree, buddy, the unsourced nonsense is very much debatable.

My opinion is that making things up is embarrassing, and doing this whole "woe is me for the spirit of debate betides you" schtick when pressed on it even moreso.

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