>>In between going on Jew-hating Propal marches
Just reminder that being against Israel or its actions in Gaza is neither antisemitic nor Jew-hating.
Just reminder that being against Israel or its actions in Gaza is neither antisemitic nor Jew-hating.
And even if you call them out, there are people who will openly defend them.
I do think that this topic is much too disgusting for anyone to think that there are hero's in the conflict. I'm not Jewish, nor am I Arab, I have no skin in the game.
But I don't like how readily we accept that cililians, women, children: are totally acceptable casualties as long as it's "$otherSide, they deserve it, $ourSide is just defending themselves". Gazans supporting Hamas and Israeli's defending the IDFs worst actions are all guilty in my mind and playing games implying one is worse is subtly letting the other side off the hook.
If there is a god, Allah or Yaweh- the people who defend child murderers and rapists no matter the "side" are going to have defend their reasoning, I hope they're comfortable with that.
In recent memory there was Ethan Klein, who is Jewish and has visited Israel but is openly critical of Israeli actions and supports Palestine; yet people harassed him and his wife constantly about him being Jewish.
I'd totally buy your argument, criticising Hamas isn't the same as being racist to Muslims, and criticising the actions of Israel is not the same as being anti-semetic.
I also buy the fact that Israel will defend themselves by claiming racism, something I've seen Muslims do in the UK too.
I'm absolutely saying both sides, because ultimately both sides seem to think it's ok to murder children, or to use people as pawns to be be killed to further their expansionist efforts.
But It's absolutely true that people are just abusing random jews under the mistaken belief that all jews are zionists, or all jews support israel.
Fuck, even people who live in Israel will condemn IDF actions.. There exists nuance of people on the Palestinian side online, yet that affordance is not afforded to Jews.
I find that quite ironic, and I'm personally not very chill with hypocrites.
Anyone defending rape or child murder is a fucking monster.
There is never valid justification, not even if the kid is carrying a suicide vest.
Attacking people for any reason is unacceptable. Including for being Jewish of course.
Assuming that they were truly attacked and not just disagreed with or something.
> In recent memory there was Ethan Klein, who is Jewish
Being Jewish or not (or any ethnicity) is irrelevant.
> and has visited Israel
Has lived in Israel.
> but is openly critical of Israeli actions and supports Palestine; yet people harassed him and his wife constantly about him being Jewish.
I can’t know what all people who criticize a celebrity has done. But the people I’ve seen has criticized him solely for his politics. Not for his ethnicity.
Yes, exactly for being a Zionist. Because that’s what he expresses. Not a light or milquetoast kind either. He might say that he wishes that Palestinians have a good life, blah blah. That’s irrelevant when he defends Israel’s actions and argues against the fact that Palestinians are second-class citizens in Israel.
His wife served in the IDF and voluntarily, at her own request, moved from an office job in “Israel proper” to a more operative role in the West Bank because she was bored. And got to experience the excitement of being a ride-along on an armed raid in the West Bank.
And as opposed to his critics, I have seen antisemitic remarks from Ethan Klein from his time in Israel.
Defend any entity that harms children without accountability (Israeli government, Hamas) -- you've picked a side.
That's not conviction. That's tribalism.
And sure, let's litigate world affairs from a link aggregator. These aren't factions in a strategy game; they're people with guns doing horrid things to people who can't fight back, hiding behind whoever will defend them.
The killed, starved and sexually abused are actual humans. We're somehow expected to say one side is more justified in this? It's not Red vs Blue man. Gtfo.
> Defend any entity [...] The killed, starved [...]
Thousands upon thousands of pro-Palestinian have enough on their minds just lamenting the untold numbers of innocent civilians that Israel has murdered. They hardly have time to talk about Hamas, or whoever it is that you are both-siding, even if they wanted to.
And that's the thing isn't it: you're not actually against suffering, you're against suffering by the right people. Klein catches flak for being Jewish and insufficiently hostile, meanwhile the bar for the other side is apparently just... existing. That's not a principled position.
"Too busy grieving to talk about Hamas", that's exactly how some Israelis feel when they hide IDF soldiers from justice, and I condemn them for it too.
You've just described the problem and handed it to me as a defence. Pathetic.
I’ve judged him to be a Zionist based on what he says. Not hearsay. Curious, I’ve never implied that I merely “think” he believes something—I’ve seen and heard it with my own eyes. Oh well, must be a miscommunication or misunderstanding.
> Come back with receipts or don't bother.
Because you had receipts???
> And that's the thing isn't it: you're not actually against suffering, you're against suffering by the right people. Klein catches flak for being Jewish and insufficiently hostile, meanwhile the bar for the other side is apparently just... existing. That's not a principled position.
All madeup strawman bullshit.
> "Too busy grieving to talk about Hamas", that's exactly how some Israelis feel when they hide IDF soldiers from justice, and I condemn them for it too.
You’re misunderstanding. Many pro-Palestinians solely defend the innocent. They never defend Hamas or any combatants. And what do they get in return for standing up for the massacred innocent? A truckload of shit.
You've spent this entire thread arguing that judging people by their ethnicity rather than their actual positions is wrong. Then you decided Klein is a Zionist not because of what he said, but because of what you've decided someone like him must believe.
That's the definition of what you came here to argue against.
Pro-Palestinians who only defend innocents get abuse for it: yes, and that's wrong. Jews who do the same get the same treatment, and you've been defending that standard this whole conversation without seeming to notice.
Everyone in this conflict believes they're punching up. Israel, Hamas, everyone. It's the most self-assigned label in politics and it's why it can't be the moral standard.
You don't get to oppose racism selectively. That's not opposition to racism.
“Someone like him” what? An idiot? No, I believe he is a Zionist based on what he says, not based on the fact that he is an idiot.
I wouldn’t cast any aspersions of anyone else's intelligence if I were in that position.
Live by the terrorist state of Hamas, die by the army of the Israeli democracy. Israel, where women, gays, arabs, christians, jews, atheists live side by side. And have the same rights as straight men.
Open your eyes, you stupid bastards, to what Hamas has made Gaza into.
Is this aimed at me?