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Could the be a good "mom and pop" OS to reduce (remote) IT maintenance workload for geeks from parent "clients"?

> Could the be a good "mom and pop" OS

Hate to be that guy, but if that's your problem just hand them an iPad or a Chromebook. Unsatisfying, I know, but it's not like my mom is Mrs. Roberts.

A WSL-like for Win9x is mostly just for the lulz.

And most "moms and pops" are around Bill Gates age, which means they grew with technology and are quite proficient.

My mom still uses her Zip drives

As if there are any Zip drives remaining that haven't succumbed to the click of death...

What should I give her for unzipping?

No.

No one should be running Win9x for anything connected to the internet. Ever, full stop.

The only reason to touch it is for a dedicated retro gaming setup or (completely airgapped) for some industrial tool with drivers/software provided by a company that has been defunct for 25+ years.

Are there even still sufficiently large populations of win9x-compatible viruses online to make it a security issue anymore?

Maybe not viruses much any more, but definitely worms. (And also some automated malicious servers scattered about the Internet that pull lists of devices with certain ports open from Shodan et al, and then repeatedly attempt to attack/penetrate whatever's on those lists.)

There are several videos available on YouTube, of someone connecting a Win9x/2K/XP machine to the modern Internet, waiting just a few minutes, and then observing (through Process Explorer) the silent introduction of various payloads onto the system.

Did those machines have public routable IPv4 addresses or something?

You didn't have a router with dialup, or early DSL, where the modem was a separate device. You'd often get publicly routable IPv4s in your university dorm, too. See also napster. :-)

Yes, they do.

> or (completely airgapped) for some industrial tool with drivers/software provided by a company that has been defunct for 25+ years.

this is a juicy enough target to justify such a virus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Probably not many instances of code infecting that way, as most boxes running an OS that old should be well firewalled by now so the virus type infections will have died out.

You occasionally still see probes for Win95/98 era vulnerabilities though, presumably because there are a surprising amount of systems still running those versions and the cost of a probe in case one is accidentally open to the public network. Or as an attacker if you've already got into a private subnet, finding such hosts might be worth it as an extra place to put a reverse tunnel to aid getting back in later if your main route is closed off.

Metasploit has options to check for these systems and, given the appropriate checkbox, will happily support old Windows systems. So often you'll find support for these system even in modern malware - a tell (amongst many others) that Metasploit was used in their creation.

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