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I'm starting to long for the age after AI. When the generative euphoria has settled and all outputs are formally verified based on exquisite architectures and standards.

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> When [...] all outputs are formally verified based on exquisite architectures and standards

and we all live in a green utopia of flying cars and peace upon the world.

    I like to think,
    (it has to be!)
    of a cybernetic ecology
    where we are free of our labors
    and joined back to nature,
    returned to our mammal
    brothers and sisters,
    and all watched over
    by machines of loving grace.

-- Richard Brautigan (1967)

if all the resources spent in useless wars were poured into working towards this goal, we would be there for some time already

Sure, but we should probably plan for what’s actually going to happen

Will never happen, for the exact reason that we’ve almost never done that for human output either.

it is required now, or all civilization collapses.

Civilization collapses unless people stop being short-sighted and greedy, trying to cut corners whenever possible?

I know which outcome I'd put my money on.

You're going to have to expand on this one.

They are expressing the idea that AI is so effective that it will make human work redundant necessitating a decoupling of resource allocation as a reward for performing work.

I don’t agree, but that’s the thinking

No, that quality drops so low across the board due to flaws in AI coding that they only way to address all these flaws is to have mechanically checked proofs that the code actually works.

My reply was meant for another tangent. No idea how it ended up on this thread. Whoops

Another argument for less human-like AI then, I guess.

That’s literally just software though.

Keen observation. Maybe automation will come for the AI as well?

More that our attempts at using probabilistic machines to produce predictably deterministic outputs (AI -> process output) was always a fool’s errand; we should be using that probability engine to produce software that creates repeatable and predictable outcomes, instead (AI -> software, software -> process output).

The AI tool isn’t wrong, our use of it is. See the glut of OpenClaw users effectively deploying it as a glorified linter and Stack Overflow copier but without actually creating the sort of reusable artifacts (or consumer spending from comparatively high wages) that approach yielded from human developers.

There was not a renaissance to move back to Assembly when Java sucked. Instead more Java developers were created.

I like how you haven't wagered which exquisite architectures and standards. I am sure we will all agree on what they are and follow them the same way :)

The people were longing for utopia, just not the same utopia.

They are being developed, but it takes over a decade for this to happen normally

Well a 2008 and a 2000 level financial crash is required for this. It is always during euphoric levels of delusion such events then occur.

...and it also needs more so-called AI companies present in the wreckage in this crash.

AI psychosis is undeniably real.

The entire stock market is undergoing AI psychosis.

Can't come fast enough

This is the new normal. AI will continue to reduce the need for human workers until a Universal Basic Income is established.

At the end of the day robots can do the vast vast majority of jobs better and faster. If not now, very soon.

I only worry our economic systems won’t keep up

Because of the concerns you cite, I think working out the basic economic systems and incentives for paying people is a much more pressing concern than building magnificent machinery that we don't even own. There has been no effort on their end to demonstrate good faith nor to uphold their end of the social contract, which is why it's in our hands to demand the fundamentals to lead a life of dignity.

The exact same thing was meant to happen when the desktop computer became prevalent. Then the internet. Look at us now.

Humans can already have 4 hour work week without productivity loss.

But I only see mass layoffs and those who are working - are working longer and harder then before.

Most CEOs in my feed are convinced that AI makes people the equivalent of entire departments. AI should make your life easier, but instead it’s the opposite for a lot of people in the work force, which makes me really sad.

You’re forgetting the energy part of the equation.

Is this a broken bot account or you’re speed running “regarded Twitter user”?

I think that’s called "hopium". Or wishful thinking, in less trendy language.

”Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering.

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions.

It is the opium of the people.”

Some are on copium, some on hopium. The gods change names; the need for relief remains.

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