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You can argue that someone else would have got there eventually, but Apple did it first and it amazed everyone who used it. And if it didn’t amaze you, I think you’re bitter and cynical. I’m not the person you responded to, but Apple nerds can throw insults too.
I think it would have taken many years for other companies to get to the 1.0 version of the iPhone and they would have done it worse. Steve’s incredible demand for “just works” when it came to stuff like that wrangled employees to do what was considered impossible at the time.
I was on the team that delivered the first iPad and you wouldn’t believe how excited we were for the announcement as other companies introduced tablets that weren’t anywhere near as good during the months leading up to it. It was a magical thing to be a part of and I think the hardware and software engineers responsible for the first iPhone genuinely accomplished the impossible.
Steve Jobs was one the only people who could have steered a company to do what Apple did during his second time there. He resuscitated a dying company and made it the cool brand for young people and a veritable juggernaut. I can’t do that. I doubt you could either.
the pill (birth control) and the washing machine were the two single most significant products of the 20th century due to their role in liberating women. i can think of others (the light bulb, the car, the television). do you really believe the iphone compares (in terms of historical significance) to these products?
> And if it didn’t amaze you, I think you’re bitter and cynical.
it didn't amaze me because consumer electronics don't amaze me. sorry.
> I was on the team that delivered the first iPad and you wouldn’t believe how excited we were for the announcement as other companies introduced tablets that weren’t anywhere near as good during the months leading up to it.
being proud of your work is fine. assuming it is of historical importance is arrogant. sorry again.
>> I was on the team that delivered the first iPad and you wouldn’t believe how excited we were for the announcement as other companies introduced tablets that weren’t anywhere near as good during the months leading up to it.
> being proud of your work is fine. assuming it is of historical importance is arrogant. sorry again.
I didn't say my work was historically important. I said I was on a team working on a similar project during that time period. The _iPhone is historically important_ and I specifically called it out as such by stating that the team that built it did the impossible.
Either you're putting words in my mouth or you genuinely don't understand the points I'm making. I was talking about the enthusiasm of _my team_, which was not the iPhone team, because I wanted to portray the enthusiasm of the employees building products under the CEO being discussed. The iPhone team genuinely changed the world.
Great example. Shockly and Bardeen got a nobel for it. Did Steve Jobs get a nobel for the iPhone? Sorry I'm not aware.
> The iPhone team genuinely changed the world
I feel like not a single person on this site has ever taken a writing class.
My guy you've repeated this claim thrice now without a single instance/indication for how. Do you not understand that I don't agree with you and therefore your job (if you choose) is to convince me, not just reiterate the same shtick over and over hoping I just magically change my mind.
Edit: it's amazing to me how asinine this discussion is. Only on hn would I be debating whether removing a physical keyboard from a consumer electronics device is considered a historical event. If you think it was more than that, that the iPhone ushered in the era of mobile connectivity, you're delusional (but I guess the reality distortion field is still strong at AP).
I’d also be hesitant to call people out for sloppy language when you can’t be bothered to even capitalize stuff.
language and orthography are two very different things (language preceded orthography by hundreds of thousands of years).
Orthography may be independent of language, but shockingly in society, it’s part of written language.
But you do you. I’m sure it gives some self satisfaction to pick pseudo intellectual arguments. There’s no point continuing this discussion because it’s clearly been in bad faith from the get go.