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Bullshit. In nigeria it's infectious disease[].

Oh yes, and that includes HIV/AIDS, you know, what you are way more likely to get if you're in non-monogamous relationships (which perhaps is more likely for those that aren't married).

And the #1 in general non-communicable risk factor reported here is, surprise, "air pollution." You know, that comes from factories and heavy industry.

[]https://ourworldindata.org/profile/health/nigeria

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>The data don't support your perspective.

No, "my source" (yours is: nothing cited, so pretty hilarious rebuttal) shows 43% of deaths (not under 5, generally deaths) in 2023 from infectious disease and 1.8% from maternal disease.

Lets see your sources on how that 1.8% rises above the 43% even when narrowed to "teenage girls." I saw elsewhere you posted some vague not even nigerian focused data that also included "unsafe abortions" to get to your claim (what does this even mean? Include things like taking a bunch of drugs and hoping it's only strong enough to kill the fetus?)

You're literally proclaiming the data "don't support your perspective" when I'm refuting your uncited perspective with at least something, which is absolutely hilarious position for you to be proselytizing about data from.

>Your source is focused on children under five. If you data source includes children under 10, none of them will be capable of becoming pregnant. If it includes boys, none of them will be capable of becoming pregnant.

Lol so you didn't even look through it all the way. Because children under 5 was only one part of it. It showed general statistics as well. Unfortunately for your claim your provide .... nothing ... while damning those questioning your "trust me bro." You don't get to set an even lower standard of evidence for yourself than you demand of others.

I am replying a second time to try to make things coherent with all the edits you are doing.

Your data source does not seem to break out teenagers over 15. It does focus on children under five. It has some data just on children, which seems to be under 15 in this dataset but I am not sure and don’t have time to continue to dig in on this. Your dataset is unable to answer the question you are posing as presented.

The vast majority of deaths in countries like Nigeria are young children, old people, and men. Girls and women aged in their teens, which you did not seem to find any specific data for, generally have relatively low mortality. The leading cause of death globally, centered in less developed nations, in this population, is complications from pregnancy. This was until recently generally put down to improvements in western medicine and childbirth being dangerous. Since about 2020 people have started to realize child marriage is the issue.

The reason for this is mechanical: their pelves are underdeveloped and not ready to birth a baby with a big head.

Unsafe abortions is exactly what it sounds like, and a health risk specific to pregnancy. It can be in order to prevent death in childbirth, whether done early and quietly, or during childbirth in more tragic cases.

Show us how you get to the 1.8% overcoming the 43% for the "childhood pregnancy" in "teenage girls." I believe that will include, generously deaths that occured from 13y to ~18y9m if you want to be assured of any pregnancy that occurred at some point that met the condition of both "childhood" and "teenage." Show the specific data. And don't bullshit it with 19 year olds, that is not "childhood pregnancy" (your words) or by excluding 13 or 14 year olds (you said "teenage girls").

I also want to know exactly what it means by "unsafe abortions" whether this includes things like "decided to kill the fetus, and myself" which technically is still an unsafe abortion but more like suicide.

So far you haven't shown the data at all, you did a bunch of handwaving angry at other data which more than clears your standard of evidence of nothing while setting a much looser standard of trust-me-bro for yourself or the non-datapoint of what a vague uncited blurb I had to hunt down elsewhere in your comment links to about 15-19 year olds which is 2/5ths adults. You're holding me to a high (higher) standard of evidence. Remember, we're talking about a claim you originally made for which you have the burden of proof, so don't try to bullshit me by holding yourself to a different standard of evidence than me. I'm not going to continue play the fuck-fuck game where I have to get the data concerning your own argument for you (as I did) and you lazily declare it's not good enough.

I didn’t provide it because it is trivially easy to find:

https://www.who.int/health-topics/adolescent-health/pregnanc...

Your perfect dataset probably doesn’t exist. There may be specific countries where something else overshadows it (suicide, a specific disease) due to other conditions or lack of medical care. But we are interested in the effect of education on girls and child marriage and pregnancy, which is not an issue specific to Nigeria anyway.

The only thing I even saw there was a non data conclusion of the following:

   Pregnancy complications and unsafe abortions are the leading causes of death among 15-19-year-old girls.

18 and 19 year old are adults, and the lions shares of 18 to 19 is periods during which it would be physically impossible to be linked to "childhood pregnancy." 13 and 14 year old "teenage girls" are also excluded from that range.

Is there data here or just a conclusory statement that also is conditioned on adding in some undefined idea of what a unsafe abortion is? The fact it's imperfect is one thing, but not only is the range only a little better than half-correct but I also can't figure out what data source the conclusion comes from.

Right so this is where you can write to the WHO I guess and demand answers, or go search on google scholar and find out.

It's trivially easy to find, but now I have to write the WHO about why their vague statement applies to your entirely different assertion. But we mustn't trust the data showing a general 20x rate of death by infectious disease because it would be presumptuous of us to think that would apply to teenagers well enough that it can overcome maternal mortality.

Truly mind boggling.

That was a joke, because the idea that your conclusion spitballed by an amateur in an hour is more valid than one published by the WHO is a joke.

The WHO didnt even make your claim. Yours is based on nothing, not even a spitball (or even an appeal to authority of the WHO since thats not what they said), which i did because you cited absolutely nothing when you asserted it. And now you want me to bear an entirely different standard of evidence than what you set. Dont dish out what you can't take -- your entire argument is a bald faced fabrication.

Your source is focused on children under five. If you data source includes children under 10, none of them will be capable of becoming pregnant. If it includes boys, none of them will be capable of becoming pregnant.

The data don't support your perspective.

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