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the entire economy of California being dependent on how Iran is feeling on a given day is crazy work

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Who do you think started the current war?

This is oversimplifying war. Whoever struck first isn't necessarily the one who created the conflict.

In this case it is.

I don't know, can see this either way. Iran's leadership has been stating for decades that they want to destroy Israel. They've been funding militias who launch rockets at Israel, during times when Israel wasn't threatening Iran's existence in any way. They were launching rockets just before this war started. But US pulled out of nuclear deal and killed Iranian leaders during first Trump administration, and has been meddling with Iran for decades.

All I'll say for sure is the US shouldn't be involved, and shouldn't have taken such a one-sided approach during Israel's founding. None of this benefits us, we simply have traitors in our government.

The israeli occupation has been killing, raping, and pillaging Palestinians for over 75 years. The greater israel project is on full display now.

Iran did, by killing over 1000 Americans over the last 47 years.

So what, how many Iranians did the US kill?

Isn’t it more dependent on how Trump is feeling? That makes it much more depressing for the leader of the country to be messing with our largest economy like this.

I began assuming long ago that Trump is just manipulating markets. Like my finances are managed under that assumption.

He was the anti corruption and anti war President and look what we got instead.

Basically wanted to stop paying for Ukraine and send the money to Israel instead

When someone is known for spouting rubbish and constantly lying, then it doesn't make sense to be surprised when they don't adhere to their "promises".

The US is an exporter of oil, so no US state will run out.

However, you do pay the market price.

California is very poorly connected to the rest of the country in terms of pipelines https://www.bts.gov/sites/bts.dot.gov/files/2021-03/U.S.%20P...

Yes it is a net exporter of oil, but not oil for gasoline. The use is a net importer of oil used for gasoline. That's because oil companies have chosen to not make the investments needed to refine domestic oil. We have to import for that.

The article mentions that California no longer is. Due to closures it is now a net importer of oil.

Sure, I'm trying to say that the US is not dependent on oil from the middle east, it produces a lot by itself

CA mandates its own blend which it is dependent on imports for

Yeah especially given that California is a leader in renewable energy sources.

Renewables is for electricity. Oil is used for a lot of things that electricity can't replace, or not yet

Much of what fossil fuels are used for is to refine fossil fuels, a use that we don't need to entirely replace.

Yes, but even the renewables market is dependent on petroleum-based transport and infrastructure.

But the more renewables get used the less true that is.

Possibly, or more infrastructure is needed to support the growing demand for renewables, and the equipment is often trucked around using standard freight (large trucks or airplanes), concrete trucks to pour slabs, etc.

Electric trucks are rapidly becoming a thing. And even if not, more trucks delivering equipment for renewables get balanced out by more EVs.

Not to mention natural gas and oil will always need to be shipped around. Whereas when you have enough renewables and a grid that can supply enough electricity, shipping panels and batteries drops by a lot.

Yes, and I look forward to when electric freight is a thing, but I do think it's an overstatement to say they are "rapidly becoming a thing". Articles about electric trucks among the HN crowd make it feel that way, but those are tests that don't really reflect what's happening in the market. (Most of the available data puts the overall percentage of freight moved by renewables at less than 0.1%). I suspect we're 10-20 years away from a time when a majority of DC chargers, solar panels, or wind turbines are transported using something other than gasoline or diesel.

Don't get me wrong, I'm quite dogmatic about renewables (we have 2 EVs, pay more for various renewable options, aggressively recycle, avoid single-use plastics, etc). I'm just pragmatic in my outlook.

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