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> I really don't mean to discourage anyone but I find that making your own harness is pretty complex process. We where very naive when we started, thinking this is just a loop, but then it turned out it has all kinds of nuances, edge-cases, things to be considered, etc.

I'd be interested in your harness if its open source, please share some more resources

> Pi.dev, Hermes and all the other I have seen do not do even half of the things I have enumerated above - not at least out of the box.

Interesting that they don't do these things out of the box, do you still have some ideal setup then though? Like Pi.dev + X/Y/Z thing which can make things work close enough to ideal.

Because although our conversation is interesting, I feel like I am unable to take any enforcable action and I might default back to opencode. So I would love if you could talk more about it.

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I am not saying that they do not work.

What I am saying is that they do not handle many things that we handle internally and yes our code is not open source so I have the luxury to compare notes without revealing much how we do things... sorry about this.

The reason opencode and pi.dev are not handling a lot of the edge-cases is because they are primarily designed to run in a constraint mode with some level of human intervention assumed and while you can certainly make them run in yolo mode I don't believe this is most of their usage. OpenClaw is like that but then look at the code behind it - it is enormous. Most of it is mysterious to me.

Our tool is my bio. But for open source opencode and pi.dev are the best and most widely used.

Personally I prefer my harness to be open source. So Opencode/pi.dev seem the best for me.

I suppose that as your original comment mentioned Kimi being a nice model with a good harness, My personal opinion suggests for me saying that Kimi with opencode might make it competent model too. Although currently I just use the model provided by default on opencode and I have found it to be competent for small codebases itself, although you definitely have to ask it to git/jj.

The Opencode default model consensus seems to be GLM 4.6 and Kimi 2.6 is definitely much more competent model

I think that tools like Opencode might continue getting better too given its open nature if/as the harness itself turns out to be the most valued piece for a model's competence as you suggested, so I am betting on Opencode and I really appreciated this discussion we had as It was great to know insider insights and I wish you good luck for your product!

https://github.com/can1357/oh-my-pi

Pi+some additions here. Have not used it enough to have a strong opinion, however, I’ve seen it mentioned here.

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